Bible way to Heaven

[Randys brother]

I pretty much just skimmed the OP because from what I could tell it's basically Sunday Morning Drivel, but something he said in there reminded me of something that recently occurred to me.


Ok, so Jehovah is said to be the ultimate source of all goodness and morality (especially morality) in the Universe, right? He's, like, the most moral it's possible to be, right?


The test of salvation, however, is apparently not one of morality, but one of belief. Many Christians and sects of Christianity hold to the idea that even very good people who don't believe in Gaud and accept Jesus will wind up in Hell, and that even truly evil people who convert on their death beds and do no good works will wind up in Heaven. If that's true, it essentially means that Gaud completely ignores how moral one's behavior is and instead only really looks at what you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth.


Now, that does beg the question...why in the FUCK would the penultimate moral force of the Universe base salvation on a position of belief rather than the morality of one's behavior?


"Oh, because human morality is so flawed that it will never measure up, so he has to base our salvation on something else for us to even have a chance."


So you're telling me that the ultimate source of all morality, the Universe's most moral being, is able to ignore and forgive gross immorality because of an utterly arbitrary standard that has literally nothing to do with morality, and that he is completely unwilling to forgive even the smallest infraction unless that utterly arbitrary standard is met, and that this is somehow still a moral being? A moral being who sends otherwise bad people to Heaven and otherwise good people to Hell, all over a matter of whether they can believe something on bad evidence and not whether they can be moral people? How does that even begin to make sense?

Let's break up the argument.

I pretty much just skimmed the OP because from what I could tell it's basically Sunday Morning Drivel, but something he said in there reminded me of something that recently occurred to me.
Ok, so Jehovah is said to be the ultimate source of all goodness and morality (especially morality) in the Universe, right? He's, like, the most moral it's possible to be, right?

Yes

The test of salvation, however, is apparently not one of morality, but one of belief. Many Christians and sects of Christianity hold to the idea that even very good people who don't believe in Gaud and accept Jesus will wind up in Hell, and that even truly evil people who convert on their death beds and do no good works will wind up in Heaven. If that's true, it essentially means that Gaud completely ignores how moral one's behavior is and instead only really looks at what you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth.

Now this is where you go wrong, God wants you to have a high morality and follow him. Simple wording.

Now, that does beg the question...why in the FUCK would the penultimate moral force of the Universe base salvation on a position of belief rather than the morality of one's behavior?

Your suggesting, why can’t one just be Good and go to heaven, As Paul explains in Philippians 2:13, "God is the one, who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work. “Notice that Paul's words presuppose that the faithful Christian is not just desiring to be righteous, but is actively working toward it. James 2:17 reminds us that "faith of itself, if it does not have work, is dead." In verse 24 James says, "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." And later: "For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead" (2:26).
But why does it have to this way, because God said so.

"Oh, because human morality is so flawed that it will never measure up, so he has to base our salvation on something else for us to even have a chance."

No, human morality is corrupted by sin, but we are not to give up if we did then that’s sin, but if we did then we can trust on God’s mercy and by putting the effort of a confession.

So you're telling me that the ultimate source of all morality, the Universe's most moral being, is able to ignore and forgive gross immorality because of an utterly arbitrary standard that has literally nothing to do with morality.

God is not limited to anything, he can do whatever he wants and you have no right to say what he should be doing.

and that he is completely unwilling to forgive even the smallest infraction unless that utterly arbitrary standard is met,

You have to put in the effort to confess, you can’t just go on sinning and expect God to forgive you.

and that this is somehow still a moral being? A moral being who sends otherwise bad people to Heaven and otherwise good people to Hell,

You, miss the point here that nobody’s good, we are saved by grace we have all sinned, like I said before we are without excuse since we sin too (Romans 3:23; 5:12), and we all deserve death before a perfect Holy God. To assume Adam’s descendants are innocent is a false assumption. Due to the sin nature received from Adam, death is coming for all since all have sinned (Romans 3:23).

all over a matter of whether they can believe something on bad evidence and not whether they can be moral people? How does that even begin to make sense?

Even if there good evidence one can simply ignore it or simply not look for it, it does make sense to you because you do not have faith.