Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist

[bennyboy]

It means they are experiences.  It means they are qualia.

-and?  I'd just ask the same thing again, because you didn't answer the question at all, and apparently we're still talking about the same thing, so the question remains.

Mind is seeing things, and thinking and stuff.

IOW, you're comfortable with stolen concepts, and that's fine, but it makes for a poor argument.  I've suggested before that this wasn't true.  If your worldview is actually capable of subsuming a materialists...you ought to be able to explain that....and you've been provided with opportunity after opportunity to do so.  If you can't explain it, stop claiming it, is that such a terrible rule of thumb? 

What's to explain? We have experiences. Some of them seem to be common enough to categorize, and consistent enough to experiment with, and these we therefore take as having an objective reality. But we are still just talking about experiences, after all.

Don't you find it odd that you're -incapable- of describing anything about your position without reaching into my goody bag - even for metaphors?

Not really, because for the most part, I live in the same world that you do, and share many of the same cultural symbols.

 As metaphor, you will still have to explain why we are stuck in that box.  We're stuck in the materialists box for well established reasons.   Why/how would anything be "unknowable"....in an idealists world?

Because most of the ideas are not of the self.

Was that a response to what you quoted?  If you can't explain how this metaphor holds, if you cannot explain why we are trapped in this metaphoric box, then clearly your worldview -cannot- subsume a materialists worldview...despite your constant claims.

A black box is a computer science convention. It means that you have input and output, but don't (actually, must not for legal reasons) know what happens inside. We are kind of on the flip side of that: we have input coming in, and we output, but we know neither where the input comes from nor where the output, ultimately, goes.