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Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU
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RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU
(October 15, 2015 at 8:35 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(October 15, 2015 at 8:28 am)Dystopia Wrote: The better for Germans, French and English, not for poor and weaker nations - Most countries never agreed to this and didn't know the drawbacks, the people didn't vote explicitly knowing what they were getting into and even if they did I think circumstances have changed. Aside from the less important linguistic differences, the EU will never work as a federation for historical and political reasons - A German citizen is different from a British citizen and so on, each requires different measures and political legislation. There is no valid historical reason to create a federation despite the possible advantages

Since the EU has been founded how many wars have there been between the nation states? And as to the statement that Germans and Brits are different I think this is false, all people are basically the same, it is the artificial distinictions that people place on things that ruins the place. The needs of a German are no different from the needs of a Brit or a French person or a Slovakian. Europe could work as a federation why not we share common goals. we may not all speak the same language but that really is the only thing that separates us
You are wrong - While we have similarities, the differences between us exist. For example, if Germans prefer to work until 5pm and Spanish prefer to work up to 7pm and sleep the siesta, a uniform legislation  would not work for this place. Creating a country (a federation) only makes sense if the bonds between people are strong enough to justify it. That's just not happening in Europe. If I went to England, Sweden or Germany and felt like we were the same people, I might give the idea a try, but most Europeans when travelling abroad simply feel the cultural difference too much to justify creating a new country. you don't need to have wars to justify not creating a federation, you just need the most basic argument of all - That a country requires a strong degree of proximity that just isn't the case in Europe, despite the common stuff. What would happen if a federation ocurred is that sooner or later people would rebel and it would tear itself apart - In fact, I think the tendency is not federalism but regionalism - Just look at Catalunha in Spain, those guys want the independence and I think they'll get it, and Italy is another case of regionalisms.
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Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Reforged - October 15, 2015 at 12:15 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 4:33 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Reforged - October 15, 2015 at 11:27 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Lemonvariable72 - October 15, 2015 at 12:53 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 15, 2015 at 3:44 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Lemonvariable72 - October 15, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:17 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:09 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 7:34 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:03 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:14 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:28 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:37 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:17 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:20 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:32 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:49 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:24 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:30 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:30 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:31 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:34 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:32 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:48 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:51 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:54 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 9:02 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by I_am_not_mafia - October 15, 2015 at 10:24 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2015 at 9:30 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:36 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2015 at 8:44 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:47 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2015 at 9:59 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by I_am_not_mafia - October 15, 2015 at 10:21 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Reforged - October 15, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 12:31 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 4:08 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 1:01 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 4:13 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm

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