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Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU
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RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU
(October 15, 2015 at 11:32 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Their culture is fundamentally incompatible and most make no effort to bridge the gap.

This seems to be a basic difference between immigration into the US and immigration into Europe.  Every ethnic group which has arrived in waves in the US has made efforts withing a generation to assimilate into the culture.  Once again, the issue seems to come down to religion.

I think the difference is that in America there's this idea that immigrants must accept American culture (whatever that means) or else they will be marginalized, while in Europe the mentality is one of cohexistence between different cultures to the extent we create special privileges for those who refuse to accept the majority's culture and values. In fact, if you look at free speech in America (I think it is the 1st amendment, right?) and how restricted it is in Europe you'll see what I mean exactly.

I don't know if the fact the US uses an absolute criteria of Ius Solis to grant citizenship might have something to do with this - There's nowhere in Europe where you get citizenship by randomly being born on a specific territory.

I also think racism, to some extent, is much worse in Europe though for different reasons than in the US. Police violence and mass incarceration are not a big problem in Europe, but to balance things - While in the US there's a black president and even active movements who created terms like "African-American" and "Indian-American" (etc.) to promote the idea that everyone who is born in America is an American, in Europe you're pretty much screwed if your'e not white - The majority of natives might see you as a new-citizen with acquired citizenship, but you'll never be seen as a true European(insert nationality).
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Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Reforged - October 15, 2015 at 12:15 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 4:33 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Reforged - October 15, 2015 at 11:27 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Lemonvariable72 - October 15, 2015 at 12:53 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 15, 2015 at 3:44 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Lemonvariable72 - October 15, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:17 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:09 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 7:34 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:03 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:14 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:28 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:37 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:17 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:20 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:32 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:49 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:24 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:30 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:30 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:31 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:34 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:32 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:48 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:51 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 8:54 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2015 at 9:02 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by I_am_not_mafia - October 15, 2015 at 10:24 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2015 at 9:30 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2015 at 8:36 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2015 at 8:44 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 8:47 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2015 at 9:59 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by I_am_not_mafia - October 15, 2015 at 10:21 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Reforged - October 15, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 12:31 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 4:08 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 1:01 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Dystopia - October 15, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 4:13 pm
RE: Pat Doesn't Think Much of the EU - by abaris - October 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm

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