RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
October 18, 2015 at 9:41 am
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2015 at 9:49 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 16, 2015 at 6:53 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Really? We, as humans, have interacted with what % of the universe, according to you? And yet, we have the Big Bang theory, and established rules of physics, and it is your position that ALL OF REALITY is founded on these rules, is it not? You claim it must be turtles, all the way down and in every conceivable direction, do you not? This is because you know of nothing else, and extend what you know into the unknown.An appeal to hypocrisy isn't any better than a comp fallacy. The black box is yours, not mine..remember? I'm making you stick to your own comments and criticisms. My position (no matter how terribly you've butchered it), is irrelevant. I don't think we're stuck in a black box, so these are hardly criticisms of -my- position..eh?
Yes...I would attempt to explain the unknown by reference to the known...do you have some other way?
Quote:My view of positions, and of reality, is broader than yours. I think that materialism is a sensible position, but only in a certain context: that of experiences which are both consistent and sharable with other humans. The experience of mind is not sharable, and is not well described by materialism. The world of QM, taken on the basis of individual particles, isn't really consistent, and is therefore not well described as matter-- though for now, you seem to be willing enough to describe mathematical functions as "material" so long as they are roughly positioned in time and space.You're as wrong about QM now as you were before, for the same reason as before, and there's little excuse for me to re-explain, nor, obviously...would a correction matter to you.....
Quote:So no, I don't demand that all reality be describable by materialism for that position to have value. And that is why I say that idealism subsumes materialism. Of all the ideas we can have, some of them are about experiences which are consistent and sharable.You like to say it because you are compelled by the materialist's science, by the materialist's bridges, by the materialist's explanations........
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