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Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
(October 15, 2015 at 9:04 pm)Godschild Wrote: Of coarse I know what happens at death, why ask such a silly question. I didn't say God wasn't hidden anymore, so it's not my story, it's what you want others to believe I said, when I did not. God's not hidden from anyone who wants to accept Christ as their Savior, all one needs to do is sincerely seek Him and they will find Him, come to know Him and trust Him. For those who claim God has hidden himself they are trying only to fool themselves so they want have to accept He's real. I have looked at my beliefs about God sincerely and honestly and because I have God has revealed himself to me in ways that gives me personally proof of His existence, not doubts at all. So yes I can reject all others because I know the One True God and He says there are no other gods.

How do you "know" this GC?

(October 15, 2015 at 9:04 pm)Godschild Wrote: I didn't say we are born with sin stain, that's you twisting what I actually said, (sin nature) there's a big difference. Again if you were the scholar of the Bible you claim to be you would know it says we are punished only for our own sin, not others. I did say we are to try and abstain from sin, I also said it was impossible for us because our nature is to sin. Christ was given as a sacrifice to redeem us from our sin, and He is our gift if we decide to accept Him. This is the only way to salvation, you can't earn it as you have suggested in your previous post.

Well whether you said it or not, the Bible literally says it. It says humans were not meant to experience death, but after Adam and Eve disobeyed God he made them mortal so they would die and every generation to come.

(October 15, 2015 at 9:04 pm)Godschild Wrote: Salvation can not be earned, you claiming to know the scriptures should know this. Paul teaches this throughout his writings and Jesus himself said that no one can come to the Father except by me. Neither claimed that one must earn salvation, if we could then Christ's death on the cross would not have been necessary. Once someone accepts Christ as their savior then they have a desire to live a life according to His teachings and many of those teachings came from the OT.

Ah the dispensationalist view point. Basically what you're saying is that the 'New Covenant'  is one that cannot be earned. However, there are plenty of conditional covenants made between Yahweh and the Israelites in the Old Testament, and they do require an obedience in order to earn the reward from "God".

The bigger problem though is that what you just said might be what Paul taught in the AD 50's, but it's not what Jesus taught in AD 29-30. So I would ask you to back up the 'Salvation Gospel' claim using the synoptic gospels if you can?

(October 15, 2015 at 9:04 pm)Godschild Wrote: You are grasping at straws now or you're showing ignorance of the Bible. We do not have to pay a price for Adam and Eve's sin, the Bible is explicit about this, that's straw one broken. There was no magical necessity, it was a purposeful necessity, either that or hell for the sins we commit.
God murdering you, what kind of thinking is that, IMO it's absolutely ridiculous. Christ's blood has paid for all, if you do not accept the payment then you will not receive the gift. How is it someone as smart as you can't see the truth God presents through the Bible.

He might be ignorant of the Bible but I am not. I disagree with you - after Adam and Eve eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, God asserts his authority to be the judge of all mankind. Before that he wasn't going to judge anyone. So if you believe that God passes judgement on people when they die, then you effectively do believe that God's still following the Adamic covenant (that's the one where he says he will judge mankind). Genesis 3:16-19.

(October 15, 2015 at 9:04 pm)Godschild Wrote: I didn't say we haven't done good things and you know I wasn't advocating such. As for prisoners well we have gone overboard and need to back off on somethings, but that's a discussion for another thread. The depravity I see is such as child porn and slavery, there are more children and women in slavery today than any time in the past. Homosexual marriage, people living together instead of marrying and making a commitment to each other, divorce at an all time high, kids killing each other and teachers, a country wealthy enough to feed all it's own people and many across the world yet greed keeps it from happening, I could write much more but I believe you see what I'm saying.

The problem GC isn't that those aren't valid issues - they are. The problem is that Christianity is not the solution to those issues. It's not going to solve the problem of divorce for example. And on that I would like to point out to you that the Biblical definition of adultery is someone who sleeps with a married woman. Essentially married women are only allowed to have sex with their husband. But married men in the Bible are allowed to have sex with their wives, with sex slaves, with prostitutes, and with unmarried women; and it isn't adultery.

(October 15, 2015 at 9:04 pm)Godschild Wrote:
TRS Wrote:God commands the murder of nonbelievers (Deuteronomy 13:7-19, Deuteronomy 17:2-5, Exodus 22:19),

Deut. 13:7-19 These verses were for Israelis to punish Israelis, God wanted to keep corruption from false gods out of the people from which He would bring His Son. You left out verse 6 and part of verse 7 that states that this is meant only for disobedient, covenant breaking Israelis, they made a covenant with God not to worship false gods.

Deut. 17:2-5 These verses are also for Israelis against covenant breaking Israelis, again this pertains to the covenant they made with God not to worship false gods. You also left out the verses following verse 7 that says, you are to have two or three witnesses against the covenant breaker, one will not do. The witnesses are to cast the first stone the the rest of the village is to cast stones, this you left out was to prevent an injustice being committed against an innocent person.

Exodus 22:19 God wanted to protect His people who were chosen to bring His Son into the world from perversions and sexual immoralities, this type of perversion would be dangerous on many levels, one would be to protect the people from sexual diseases.

Do you really want to go down this route?

God instructs the Israelites that when they invade cities they are to kill all the men and keep the women and children as the spoils of war (Deut 20:10-14). But if they want to make peace, instead of killing all the men they are simply to enslave everyone and put them to work doing forced manual labour.

Deut 20:10-14: “When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if it responds to you peaceably and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. And when Yahweh your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as plunder for yourselves. And you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which Yahweh your God has given you.”

Why does Yahweh think women are property?

The Tenth Commandment: You shall not covet your neighbour’s property: Ex 20:17 “Do not covet your neighbor’s house. Do not covet your neighbor’s wife, his male or female slave, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

Sexual immorality is not discussed in Genesis or Exodus, and it's barely touched on Deuteronomy. It's not until Leviticus 18 that God decides to tell the Israelites what sex acts and behaviours are deplorable to him.

In any case there are three versions of what to do in the New Testament. The first is what Jesus says, and he himself says to follow the sacred Scriptures to the letter (Matt 5:18). The next is what James decides at the Jerusalem Council 20 years later, and he says that Greek Christians shouldn't have to follow the whole of the Law of Moses or the custom of circumcision but they should abstain from meat offered to idols, meat that was strangled, meat containing blood, and sexual immorality (Acts 15)

Acts 15:20 “write to them to abstain foods offered to idols, sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled and from blood”

And then there's the third version - what Paul says. Paul, on his own authority, disobeys the council ruling and sends out his own letters within just 2 or 3 years of it telling churches outside of Jerusalem and the Jewish territories that they can eat whatever is sold at the markets and not to question it (1Cor 8, 1 Cor 10).
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused - by Aractus - October 18, 2015 at 10:52 am

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