RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 3:23 pm
(This post was last modified: October 19, 2015 at 3:51 pm by jenny1972.)
(October 19, 2015 at 3:08 pm)houseofcantor Wrote:(October 19, 2015 at 12:30 pm)Chad32 Wrote: There's a verse somewhere of Jesus saying "Before Moses, I Am". In the old testament Yahweh says he is the great I am. There are many verses indicating that Jesus is an entirely different person, and one of his most well known traits is humility. We all know the god of the old testament is anything but humble.
It's a contradiction among a long list of contradictions.
Quote:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...rsion=NKJV Which kind of defeats the whole purpose of this exercise. His contemporaries put up with his bullshit until he expressly claimed to be god. These type of theists will dance left, right, and sideways to avoid this obvious implication.
yes jesus said " before abraham was , I AM " ( before abraham existed "I AM" existed -God ) jesus makes it clear that he is not God . jesus did not say that he was "I AM" only that before abraham there was I AM
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain