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Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
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(October 20, 2015 at 2:05 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:
Quote:Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. (John 14:28)
How can Yahushua be deity if he declares his heavenly Father is greater than he himself? And what of this text?
First, I believe the forum rules require you to give a link or some form of attribution. You appear to have C&P'd from here:
http://www.itsaboutthattime.net/Revealin...essiah.htm

Second, going outside is fine for ideas, but you should present the arguments in your own words. I could just C&P a Christian page on the topic, and is that really getting us anywhere?

Anyway, Jesus can be deity despite declaring the Father as greater than himself because he voluntarily humbled himself to a lower position. I have been sticking to what Jesus said, but since in your next point you open up the epistles, that makes it easier:

Phil 2
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

Quote:But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Messiah is the Almighty. (1Corinthians 11:3, "Christ" is replaced with "Messiah" and "God" is replaced with "the Almighty," where it is appropriate throughout this presentation.)
Please notice the progression of authority given in this passage: The woman is subject to the man, the man is subject to Messiah, and the Messiah is himself subject to his heavenly Father. This same point is made in 1 Corinthians 15:28, and this text even describes the Millennial reign of Messiah perfectly:
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For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Messiah shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Messiah the firstfruits; afterward they that are Messiah’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Almighty, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that the Almighty may be all in all. (1 Corinthians 15:21-28)

Again, see above that Jesus voluntarily humbled himself. Paul does make very clear statements of Jesus' divinity, such as:

Col 2
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

Any more you'll have to argue yourself. I'm not going to the bother when you're just copying and pasting.
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Re: - by John V - October 20, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: - by John V - October 20, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: - by John V - October 21, 2015 at 9:14 pm
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 22, 2015 at 9:46 am
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 22, 2015 at 11:56 am
. - by John V - October 22, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: - by John V - October 22, 2015 at 2:42 pm
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Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 22, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: - by John V - October 22, 2015 at 2:33 pm
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 22, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 8:31 am
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 8:55 am
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: - by John V - October 27, 2015 at 8:27 am
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 23, 2015 at 8:14 am
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 8:14 am
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 23, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 2:56 pm
Dele - by Hmmm? - October 26, 2015 at 5:37 pm
:•) - by Hmmm? - October 26, 2015 at 6:17 pm

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