RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 21, 2015 at 4:17 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 3:22 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:(October 21, 2015 at 3:10 pm)alpha male Wrote: What did Jesus mean by that claim?
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw [i]it and was glad.”[/i]
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” ( Gods name not his )
jesus was telling the jews you say He is your God but you do not know Him . I know Him (see jesus making a clear distinction between himself and God even here in this very sentence ?) jesus did not say before abraham was he existed as I AM . jesus said before abraham was , I AM ( which is the name of God ) ... so " before abraham was , God " before abraham existed God existed
It does have a lot to do with context, and what is being said. I am not a Koine Greek scholar, but I don't think that your interpretation works in the greek. It is also not just because of this one verse, to which the conclusion is reached. I have run into Christians; who have argued, (I believe incorrectly) that anytime the phrase "ego eimi" is used it is a reference to Exodus.
But those in that time and culture (those who spoke the language), understood Jesus claim to be worthy of stoning. It is not just saying, that before Abraham Jesus existed, but "I am". The phrase that was used in connection to the timelessness of God.
