RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 21, 2015 at 4:20 pm
(This post was last modified: October 21, 2015 at 4:33 pm by jenny1972.)
(October 21, 2015 at 4:04 pm)alpha male Wrote:(October 21, 2015 at 3:58 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: what do you mean come on ? jesus said " before abraham was ( before abraham existed ) , I AM " ( I AM is God ) so essentially he was saying ' before abraham there was God 'What I mean is obvious - your interpetation makes no sense in the context, i.e. coming right after:
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
in context means looking at the entire exchange between these jews not just that one question , how did jesus talk about God ( " He is my God " ...." i know Him " ) before that question was asked ? he obviously makes a distinction between himself and God and had never claimed to be God neither then or at any other time . The trinity concept did not begin with jesus it was invented by others .
(October 21, 2015 at 4:17 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(October 21, 2015 at 3:22 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: 54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw [i]it and was glad.”[/i]
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” ( Gods name not his )
jesus was telling the jews you say He is your God but you do not know Him . I know Him (see jesus making a clear distinction between himself and God even here in this very sentence ?) jesus did not say before abraham was he existed as I AM . jesus said before abraham was , I AM ( which is the name of God ) ... so " before abraham was , God " before abraham existed God existed
It does have a lot to do with context, and what is being said. I am not a Koine Greek scholar, but I don't think that your interpretation works in the greek. It is also not just because of this one verse, to which the conclusion is reached. I have run into Christians; who have argued, (I believe incorrectly) that anytime the phrase "ego eimi" is used it is a reference to Exodus.
But those in that time and culture (those who spoke the language), understood Jesus claim to be worthy of stoning. It is not just saying, that before Abraham Jesus existed, but "I am". The phrase that was used in connection to the timelessness of God.
ok the jews who were questioning him what was their intention of questioning him ? what was their attitude toward jesus were their intentions good ? do you think they were looking for something that could be considered blasphemy ? (and if they were expecting a God - Messiah why would they see that as blasphemy anyways?)
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain