RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 22, 2015 at 6:46 am
(October 21, 2015 at 9:14 pm)alpha male Wrote:(October 21, 2015 at 4:20 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: in context means looking at the entire exchange between these jews not just that one question , how did jesus talk about God ( " He is my God " ...." i know Him " ) before that question was asked ? he obviously makes a distinction between himself and God and had never claimed to be God neither then or at any other time . The trinity concept did not begin with jesus it was invented by others .Cool - if you want to widen the context, let's back up to:
23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."
Let's hear your spin on that!
So, according to you, Jesus was literally saying he was from heaven and they were from hell? It's not metaphorical at all? Wow. Quite an interpretation.
Oooooooorrr, we could realize it's not a reference to being a God, but of being a transcendent being (an Enlightened One, so to speak), while the people to whom he was speaking were not, still trapped in their terrestrial thoughts. One of the numerous examples of Buddhist influence on the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
