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Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
the lineage to David in Luke was also through Joseph and not Mary

if no relation to Joseph and therefore no relation to David then Jesus cannot be the Messiah and Jesus is a liar ... or if Jesus was telling the truth and was related to David he can be the Messiah and prophesy fulfilled but was human not born of a virgin and related to Joseph who was in Davids line

Luke 3:23-38English Standard Version (ESV)
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ

23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,[a] the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David,

(October 23, 2015 at 10:16 am)alpha male Wrote:
(October 23, 2015 at 9:29 am)Irrational Wrote: I don't think that "Luke" had access to "Matthew". The blatantly different nativity accounts show that to be the case. According to many scholars, they did independently have access to "Mark" and also "Q", whatever it may have been (whether oral or written).

You need to account for the similarities between Matthew and Luke that aren't found in Mark in some way. If you want to invent a Q to explain it, that's your choice, but it's far simpler to suppose that Luke had a copy of Matthew. Occam's Razor and that. I'll accept Q when a copy of Q with the common passages and predating Matthew and Luke is found.

dont you think the Catholic Church would suppress anything and everything that is seen as a threat to their theology ? they are nothing more than a very rich and powerful corporation and have been for over 1000 years not going to give up anything they're very comfy with the status quo just as it is.
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today   FSM Grin   Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one  - John Lennon

The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also  - Mark Twain
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Re: - by John V - October 20, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: - by John V - October 20, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: - by John V - October 21, 2015 at 9:14 pm
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 22, 2015 at 9:46 am
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 22, 2015 at 11:56 am
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RE: - by John V - October 22, 2015 at 2:42 pm
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Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 22, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: - by John V - October 22, 2015 at 2:33 pm
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 22, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 8:31 am
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 8:55 am
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: - by John V - October 27, 2015 at 8:27 am
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 23, 2015 at 8:14 am
RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ? - by jenny1972 - October 23, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 8:14 am
Hmmm? - by Hmmm? - October 23, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE - by John V - October 26, 2015 at 2:56 pm
Dele - by Hmmm? - October 26, 2015 at 5:37 pm
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