Sin & Forgiveness

[Drich]

Hi Drich ,

what I mean by sin is not one person to another. You can sin with your actions, your mouth and your mind.only took murder as an example. Something out of gods context would still be a sin right. Not just things like murder which he Even if one thinks "Oh I wish she would not pass her exams" I consider that as a sin, bad deed or misdeed. I mentions in the bible. Example I consider slaughtering animals as a sin.

Even so the examples you list are ALL of 'Immoral acts commited against someone' even your example of wishing ill. That means your defination of sin is morality based. meaning you believe that certain acts have a good value and certain acts have a bad value.

With God all your examples: killing, sex with another woman, wishing someone's failure, even killing animals, these acts, all of them. have no 'moral' value before God on their own. What makes them good or bad is what God has to say about them. Therefore to violate what he says/His law is a sin to and against Him.

That is what the word sin means in english. To literally break devine law. That means Sin is only sin to God. You in your examples are defining the term sin to mean the same as morality. When in fact sin and morality have nothing to do with one another except on occasion when the words sin and immoral can be used to describe the same act.

So again, To forgive sin only means one does not owe a debt to God. It however does not release one from any soceitial/moral obligations.

So even if God forgives in the afterlife or where ever it may be people are still feeling safe because of this act. You say that debt to that person/actions , himself/herself and society is not cleared. However that's not the case , people are very happy that they have been forgiven and merely cares of those debts in this present life. That's what's bothering me like a splinter in my eye.

So in your estimation one who commits murder and is sentenced to life in a max security prison can find happiness with the remainder of his life being caged in a tiny room 23 hours a day?

Again forgiveness of sin only clears one's personal debt to God not to what is owed to society.

One man is happily married. He sees another attractive woman and commits adultery without his wife knowing. His guilt works up , his conscience might not be clear. However he asks for forgiveness or maybe confess. I don't know who or what tells him that he is forgiven but sadly that's the case most of the time. With that safe thought in mind he goes along like nothing happens.

That may be the case where you come from but here, when a prominent man of the faith is caught of confesses adultery, and even if he does repent, society and even his family will seek their pound of flesh. Google josh duggar for an example of this. This is a perfect example of a man who COULD be square with God and still owes society and family great debt.

They say God gives them strength. I think this is what they are taking about. I say this because I know people who have committed a lot of bad deeds and whenever I ask them the answer is "I have been forgiven " , after that I'm being asked to take Jesus in my heart so that all my sins will get washed away "just like that " . Most of the people who talks like this are born again Christians. They were following other religions before including Roman Catholic  

Josh Duggar claims to be a 'born again' and I can promise you he is not happy with his life right now, even though he could be forgiven of his sin. That said I can't say he won't ever be able to forgive himself, but at the same time that personal and family forgiveness may not come for years and years.

So again, Sin is not a moral transgression. meaning you do not get to define what a sin is or is not (Example: your take on wishing someone fail an exam or killing animals and calling that a sin, those are moral transgressions not sin.) Sin is the breaking of divine law. To forgive a sin can only be done by God. If said sin also happens to coincide with moral societal law, then forgiveness of sin from God does not release one from any societal debt.

Can one find happiness from being forgiven of sin? absolutely If the reality of said sin does not have that person dealing with societal consequences, or dealing with the consequences of the sin itself.