(October 22, 2015 at 5:55 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: Right yes, because Nazi Germany was so secular, making a God out of Hitler. Same for Communist Russia with Stalin. The USA is not a secular country in practice either, however much it loves to claim it is, neither is The UK technically. The only truly secular country involved in The World Wars was France, and France only became involved in either because it was pretty much dragged in. The World Wars were not "secular" wars, they were wars brought about by religious-like nationalism.
And my point still stands that where there is religious conflict (I never said all wars, I said "holy wars"), then 99 times out of 100 you can expect at least one, and often more than one, of the Abrahamic Messianic religions to be at the centre of it. If you hear something in the news about a person being killed for offending religious sensibilities, we know which religion the butthurt killer belonged to before they even say it. So you can get off your moral high-horse because that particular religion is yours. If you gave as much of a shit about innocent people getting squashed by your religion as you appear to do about the atomic bomb, you could stop fundamentalism dead in it's tracks. Instead you're arguing with me about my alleged "double standards", laughable.
I'm always curious to know why people equate nationalism with religion as if you could somehow blame religion for more evils if you said X or Y country were very nationalistic. Both world wars weren't fought because of religion, and neither was the cold war. If you ask me, I think the biggest cause is liberalism in its model back then. Nazism and fascism were reactions to the failure of liberalism, so was communism. The first world war was fought due to conflicts between nations, because thanks to liberalism and the industrial revolution anyone wanted to be a superpower. There's not much in it that has to do with religion. Equating dictatorships with religion is wrong because dictatorships might not be religious and might work differently from religions - To start with the obvious, at least dictators were real people, not fictional, so it makes sense to worship a president if you believe he truly is your savior.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you