Nihilism

[theVOID]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

Existential nihilism and moral nihilism aren't the same thing, but they probably go hand in hand as it were.

I'm a nihilist because I think that objective purpose and morality don't exist. It's that simple.

Subjective morality is merely the expression of personal desires.

It's great to see some people rejecting the unfortunate combination of words that is "subjective morality" I totally agree that if you're not a realist then Nihilism is the only legitimate position.

How do we cope with destructive people? Simple. If their behavior conflicts with our values we oppose them. Note that moral realists can't avoid this problem either.

You can change their malleable desires using praise and condemnation before they get to the stage where they desire something that is against the interests of society - That should always be the first step, you can try and convince them that their desires are not good and condemn them for it and if that doesn't work threaten to thwart their most of their other desires by imprisoning them or threaten all of their desires by offering death

Claiming there is an objective morality has always had questionable efficacy of saving anyone from "evil" or ensuring "right prevails".

It's not a claim I have a proof for moral realism you'd like to see it.

The only realistic advantage from a position of moral realism is that it makes it far clearer which values (in my case desires) are actually good and bad for the population, helping people achieve a state of affairs in which more desires are promoted and less are thwarted.

I don't expect knowing that there is an objective evaluation of moral value to change anyone's behaviour unless it has the effect of changing their desires, though I doubt it would. Praise and condemnation, punishment and reward and threats are the only things that really change the desires someone has.

The moral practice is the biggest advantage in a system of moral realism that is true, but can be one of the most devastating things in a system that is false (Like religion).

At least as often as someone who is "immoral" is defeated, someone who is "moral" is victimized. "Morality" seems rather useless when you think about it.

All that suggests is that we don't have an internal moral drive, and I agree that any moral realism that supposes we have a moral compass or are receiving moral instruction is completely ineffective as a matter of principle. Can we still determine what desires are ones that tend to promote more and stronger desires than they thwart? Absolutely - And for every time we realise a mistake in our intuitions we have improved the situation - Not an instantaneous fix, but a new way of evaluating consequences.

Are desires the only object of evaluation regarding value? That's debatable, but I think my case for this is extremely strong.