Atheism and Hope

[prmptuscerus]

Regarding evolution, I would invite criticism of incorrect claims made about it. I made some claims without showing how I got there. I recognize evolution itself makes no moral claims or philosophic claims although an individual might derive some from evolution, but is  just a theory of origins. (I suppose by virtue of being a theory of origins it would have to rule out other theories of origins like Creationism).

In the section below, it's almost as if you never wrote the section above......

If there is no value to human life, as the Mulsim poster described, which is objective then eugenics as I understand it would be totally valid. Why should the mentally ill pass on their genetics, or addictive personalities or those with limited mental capacity? I suppose the idea that these people should not live is in itself a value judgment and would be unfounded, but personally I find it  valid and can thus only apply it to myself.

You "find" it valid, despite being unfounded?  Why mental illness?  Why shouldn't everyone without my specific eye color be prevented from passing on their genetics?  No, no, better...why not everyone except me...because I'm clearly the pinnacle of human evolutionary development and despite that statement being entirely unfounded...I "find" it to be valid..........

You're being silly.

Personally, I live for legacy, achievement, good vegetable soup with my family, and crushing newbs in LOL.  It's not a "pick one" questio

Yes, I find. Allow me to unpack 'find'. If value is entirely subjective, then the only way any kind of value relevant to me which .. could exist would be if it originated from my own self; my own subjective opinion. If I deem subjectively, that is in a personal way which is not binding to any other individual but matters only to my self that people with degenerate traits, (people who would embody traits which we would consider less than healthy or that lead to profound suffering) should not reproduce, I would 'find' it that way.


If an individual 'finds' that suffering is valuable (in the suffering we come close to God, everything happens for a reason, etc.) than I can certainly understand a belief system which allows for reproductive rights for all. However, if one 'finds' that suffering is not necessary and is not valuable, then it could follow that perhaps those with traits which would lead to profound suffering should withhold their reproduction and should be encouraged to do so. Again, I say this as someone who would put myself in the category of one whose right to reproduce should not be allowed. Or, at least in my opinion, due to health issues and mental illness. I believe, subjectively, that these traits (mental illness, severe physical defects) are more important than things like eye color or hair color and to compare them is not make an adequate comparison. You can find otherwise


Lesser point, I never claimed one must have only one reason to live. May you find a hundred.