A question about hell

[Chad32]

Many people claim to be able to speak directly to their god of choice, but none have been able to show the guy.

Well for something to exist, it has to be a person, place, thing, or idea. Places can be spooky. Things can be dangerous. Ideas can be off the wall at times. None of those things can want anything.

Childbirth. Work. Mortality. Death. Thorns. Predation. All manner of things your god lets happen because anyone dares to not be completely dependent on him.

The Taliban and ISIS are religious groups worhiping the same Abrahamic god you do. Nazis were religious. North Korea is a dictatorship, much like your god's views of how things work. I'm not actually familiar with Hirohito. The worst places in the world tend to be places of extreme religious beliefs, or places where one person or a small group of people hold all the power. Something not unlike the kind of system your god believes in. Where he holds all the power, and everyone who takes one step out of line dies. if we think people like Kim Jong Un are so horrible, is it any wonder why people would think someone like Yahweh is horrible too? The irony is that the better countries in the world tend to be those who don't have dictators or religious fundamentalists running the show.

I would never inflict an eternity of suffering for finite crimes. That would be evil.

If an abused slave tries to run away, the problem isn't that he's a bad disobedient slave. The problem is that he was enslaved at all.

Maybe God is not something small enough to be shown, but something you have to go to see. (Not to mention no other religion offers access to its 'god' unless you claim to be a prophet or emissary. Not even OT Judaism, You are just pretending to know what your talking about)

So youre saying a person can never want anything..

So is it your assumption that those who do follow God don't have to deal with those things?

ISIS and the Taliban do not worship the God of Abraham. They claim to worship the God of Abraham. That is the difference between being a fighter pilot and just telling everyone you are. just because you play ace's high on line does not mean you are a fighter pilot, nor does it give you the right to claim to be one. Hirihito was the Japanese Emperor who decided to bomb pearl harbor and also decided not to fight WWII in accordance with the Genevia convention. The point I was making by citing two religions who men use for evil and two non religious goverments where men used evil to claim power, is to show a commonality, that evil exists with or with the pretense of religion. The commonality is evil hearted men.

If someone killed an immortal being, how is that a finite crime? Now what if 'someone' killed a whole planet's worth of Immortal beings? Now what if someone kill every Immortal being from the time a planet hosted the first couple to the very last immortal being on said planet to ever be created? How could one who intentionally/with malice killed a whole Species of immortals ever atone for his crime? in your **Cough/Joke** "Morality" would you execute said guilty Immortal or would you give him life in prison without parole?

Who said anything about a slave running away? I said slave do not have free will, is that correct??? in the liberties given a slave, is a slave still not responsible for the choices he makes if he takes his liberties too far???
For instance, say a slave owner offered a slave a wife and told him he could have marry any girl that would have him, but instead, he rapes some young girl and forces her to be his wife. Do you think that slave is not responsible for his actions? Do you think he will not be held accountable for his actions even if he does not have 'free will?"

Since you can't be bothered to put in a few quote tags I'd thought I'd do the same.

Other religions don't say that everyone can talk to god. That's only an issue if christians can prove that they're able to talk to god. Which they can't. You can find a lot of people claiming to talk to the same guy, yet are willing to kill each other over what that god is supposedly saying.

I meant a place, thing, or idea can't want anything. If he's not a person, then I'm not going to worship it. That's why I'm not a pantheist or something.

I don't see much difference between worship someone you can't prove exists, and claiming to. Either way you're folllowing what someone tells you, or what someone wrote in a book.

Yes evil people will do evil things regardless of religion. That wasn't what I meant when I talked about people bettering themselves, and you know that. I was showing that most of your examples are bunk anyway, because they're examples of dictators and religious extremists. It's not a very good point.

Killing an immortal being is a finite crime because it's a finite action. Spending a limited amount of time doing anything wrong is still a finite crime. Executing someone who does, or giving them life imprisonment would still be finite, unless he's immortal. Imprisoning an immortal being for eternity, or torturing them for eternity would be evil. Given eternity, you will eventually make up for wrongdoing. We don't imprison people depending on the estimated life someone might have had if they hadn't been killed.

I thought you were implying that we don't have free will. I believe we do. Though I also believe Yahweh has a very warped sense of morality which makes the idea of "sin" a moot point.