A question about hell

[Drich]

Maybe God is not something small enough to be shown, but something you have to go to see. (Not to mention no other religion offers access to its 'god' unless you claim to be a prophet or emissary. Not even OT Judaism, You are just pretending to know what your talking about)

So youre saying a person can never want anything..

So is it your assumption that those who do follow God don't have to deal with those things?

ISIS and the Taliban do not worship the God of Abraham. They claim to worship the God of Abraham. That is the difference between being a fighter pilot and just telling everyone you are. just because you play ace's high on line does not mean you are a fighter pilot, nor does it give you the right to claim to be one. Hirihito was the Japanese Emperor who decided to bomb pearl harbor and also decided not to fight WWII in accordance with the Genevia convention. The point I was making by citing two religions who men use for evil and two non religious goverments where men used evil to claim power, is to show a commonality, that evil exists with or with the pretense of religion. The commonality is evil hearted men.

If someone killed an immortal being, how is that a finite crime? Now what if 'someone' killed a whole planet's worth of Immortal beings? Now what if someone kill every Immortal being from the time a planet hosted the first couple to the very last immortal being on said planet to ever be created? How could one who intentionally/with malice killed a whole Species of immortals ever atone for his crime? in your **Cough/Joke** "Morality" would you execute said guilty Immortal or would you give him life in prison without parole?

Who said anything about a slave running away? I said slave do not have free will, is that correct??? in the liberties given a slave, is a slave still not responsible for the choices he makes if he takes his liberties too far???
For instance, say a slave owner offered a slave a wife and told him he could have marry any girl that would have him, but instead, he rapes some young girl and forces her to be his wife. Do you think that slave is not responsible for his actions? Do you think he will not be held accountable for his actions even if he does not have 'free will?"

Since you can't be bothered to put in a few quote tags I'd thought I'd do the same.

Other religions don't say that everyone can talk to god. That's only an issue if christians can prove that they're able to talk to god. Which they can't. You can find a lot of people claiming to talk to the same guy, yet are willing to kill each other over what that god is supposedly saying.

I meant a place, thing, or idea can't want anything. If he's not a person, then I'm not going to worship it. That's why I'm not a pantheist or something.

I don't see much difference between worship someone you can't prove exists, and claiming to. Either way you're folllowing what someone tells you, or what someone wrote in a book.

Yes evil people will do evil things regardless of religion. That wasn't what I meant when I talked about people bettering themselves, and you know that. I was showing that most of your examples are bunk anyway, because they're examples of dictators and religious extremists. It's not a very good point.

Killing an immortal being is a finite crime because it's a finite action. Spending a limited amount of time doing anything wrong is still a finite crime. Executing someone who does, or giving them life imprisonment would still be finite, unless he's immortal. Imprisoning an immortal being for eternity, or torturing them for eternity would be evil. Given eternity, you will eventually make up for wrongdoing. We don't imprison people depending on the estimated life someone might have had if they hadn't been killed.

I thought you were implying that we don't have free will. I believe we do. Though I also believe Yahweh has a very warped sense of morality which makes the idea of "sin" a moot point.

Actually they can.(provide proof) or rather you could if you were Christian. do you have examples of this? Before you say muslims ask yourself or maybe google a muslim prayer. Again they are not talking to God nor do they expect to get any instruction back from him that is not in their book/from a prophet the religion recognizes. You are assuming all religions teach the same thing. Again Christianity is very unique in it's claims, why? because a religion will not last as long as Christianity has making the claims that it does if it does not deliver.
Those claims being deliverable in this life and not the next like all other 'religions.' That means the vast majority of believers have made good/collected on the promises offered. In other religions people are content in simply living in faith that the next life will be rewarded.

you did not address the entire premise. why? does your point not stand when viewed through the lenses of all the conditions I placed on the situation?

We don't have free will. for instance if I wanted to stop sinning with all the will I possessed I couldn't. We are all slaves to sin. (among other things) Meaning our will is not free to do as we please (plus if you google the philosophy of free will their are a lot of compelling arguments (secular arguments) that disprove the idea of freewill as well. In any case as a slave we have been given choices to make. And like the slave (who's will is limited by his master) who has been given a few choices to make, we too will be held accountable to the decisions we make.

Just because you do not have totally free will, it does not mean you haven't been given choice. that is where the philosophy of 'free will' fails, and probably why it is not a biblical precept, but rather the bible tells us we are all slaves.