(November 25, 2015 at 10:28 am)Chad32 Wrote:I'm telling we can. their is no debate when you experience this for yourself. The debate comes when someone who does not want this to be true ignores and discounts everything God has done and refuses to seek God themselves. Prayer nor any of your examples of petitioning God for favors is not what I am talking about. although that in my case with an ongoing Cancer diagnostic and AIDS has been true so far.. I am talking about literally receiving a measure or portion of the Holy Spirit, to direct Guide and teach you. A portion of What I do here is a direct reflection of that. I answer questions confront supposed contradictions and faith ending paradoxes, the same stuff that took most/all of you out spiritually I've been given answers to. Most of which would be miles over my head. And the part that I know is from God comes from the fact that I get an answer or direction first, then google supporting material/references. This includes knowledge of languages I do not speak nor have formally studied, knowledge of ancient cities, placement, culture. knowledge of historical figures, and historical documents. Stuff, time, people none of which have I ever studied. Then I google an idea or key word that I'm given, and I find 'proof' that what I've been given is indeed document historical fact.(November 25, 2015 at 10:17 am)Drich Wrote: Actually they can.(provide proof) or rather you could if you were Christian. do you have examples of this? Before you say muslims ask yourself or maybe google a muslim prayer. Again they are not talking to God nor do they expect to get any instruction back from him that is not in their book/from a prophet the religion recognizes. You are assuming all religions teach the same thing. Again Christianity is very unique in it's claims, why? because a religion will not last as long as Christianity has making the claims that it does if it does not deliver.
Those claims being deliverable in this life and not the next like all other 'religions.' That means the vast majority of believers have made good/collected on the promises offered. In other religions people are content in simply living in faith that the next life will be rewarded.
you did not address the entire premise. why? does your point not stand when viewed through the lenses of all the conditions I placed on the situation?
We don't have free will. for instance if I wanted to stop sinning with all the will I possessed I couldn't. We are all slaves to sin. (among other things) Meaning our will is not free to do as we please (plus if you google the philosophy of free will their are a lot of compelling arguments (secular arguments) that disprove the idea of freewill as well. In any case as a slave we have been given choices to make. And like the slave (who's will is limited by his master) who has been given a few choices to make, we too will be held accountable to the decisions we make.
Just because you do not have totally free will, it does not mean you haven't been given choice. that is where the philosophy of 'free will' fails, and probably why it is not a biblical precept, but rather the bible tells us we are all slaves.
Christians can't prove they're talking to god, and he's talking back. If they could, we wouldn't be debating this thousands of years after he supposedly started talking to people. Whether prayer works or not is a testable claim, and it has failed. This is why some people say that god can do anything that also has some natural cause, but nothing that doesn't. Cancer goes into remission, and people come back from comas if their brain is still in one piece, but limbs don't regrow themselves.
I may have missed something, and need to reread. Can you repeat that part?
The only reason we can't stop sinning if we want to is because the one who claims we're sinning has set the bar impossibly high. If someone puts you in a hole too big to jump out of, and tells you you can leave as soon as you jump out, it's not your fault that you can't do it. Whether we have free will or not, I'm not too worried about my choices in life. If the guy upstairs wants to be stupid enough to believe looking at someone with lust is the same as adultery, I can't help it. Just don't be angry at me for not being able to control my thoughts.
IDK if it was you or someone else that called what I do the 'drich rope a dope.' Where one of you thinks you got me on the ropes with some fact or concept that your pushing, and all of the sudden 'boom' I lay out something that just destroys the opposition's argument. 9 times out of 10 that is not intentional. I simply go with what God gives me, when he gives it to me. Yes I choose my words very carfully, because I know I must honor what I have been given to understand completely in order for God to fully support what it is I do here. Otherwise I would not be able to stand and defend what I believe with my current level of education.
When you/I have the Holy Spirit the 'proof' comes in the way of knowledge first. Not just one or twice or even a few times... I've been defending the faith for almost 10 years now, and little has changed from the first post to this one. Granted I have learned a tremoundous amount (It sounds strange, but by answering your questions I learn things I never knew.) this knowledge/wisdom is far beyond my own limits, which are known by me. and, because I know my limits and see the things I am able to do despite my limits (day in day out over the period of years/almost a decade) I find/found the proof I needed.. I know it may not be enough for you to hear me talk about it, but Imagine if you could experience what I have described for yourself, or something equally as amazing daily. Something far above and beyond your limits and abilities. would this be proof for you?
That is what Christ offers in Luke 11... That level of 'proof' if we simply A/S/K for it and remain faithful to what he gives.
The parameters of my killing an immortal are all found back in that post.
What is lust? it's a thought is it not? Are you telling me that not having full control over your thoughts has nothing to do with 'free will?' I would think 'free will' would start at having complete control over how I think. But to you and your version of 'free will' not having control of your thoughts is 'proof' of your free will? how does that work?
