A question about hell

[Chad32]

Christians can't prove they're talking to god, and he's talking back. If they could, we wouldn't be debating this thousands of years after he supposedly started talking to people. Whether prayer works or not is a testable claim, and it has failed. This is why some people say that god can do anything that also has some natural cause, but nothing that doesn't. Cancer goes into remission, and people come back from comas if their brain is still in one piece, but limbs don't regrow themselves.

I may have missed something, and need to reread. Can you repeat that part?

The only reason we can't stop sinning if we want to is because the one who claims we're sinning has set the bar impossibly high. If someone puts you in a hole too big to jump out of, and tells you you can leave as soon as you jump out, it's not your fault that you can't do it. Whether we have free will or not, I'm not too worried about my choices in life. If the guy upstairs wants to be stupid enough to believe looking at someone with lust is the same as adultery, I can't help it. Just don't be angry at me for  not being able to control my thoughts.

I'm telling we can. their is no debate when you experience this for yourself. The debate comes when someone who does not want this to be true ignores and discounts everything God has done and refuses to seek God themselves. Prayer nor any of your examples of petitioning God for favors is not what I am talking about. although that in my case with an ongoing Cancer diagnostic and AIDS has been true so far.. I am talking about literally receiving a measure or portion of the Holy Spirit, to direct Guide and teach you. A portion of What I do here is a direct reflection of that. I answer questions confront supposed contradictions and faith ending paradoxes, the same stuff that took most/all of you out spiritually I've been given answers to. Most of which would be miles over my head. And the part that I know is from God comes from the fact that I get an answer or direction first, then google supporting material/references. This includes knowledge of languages I do not speak nor have formally studied, knowledge of ancient cities, placement, culture. knowledge of historical figures, and historical documents. Stuff, time, people none of which have I ever studied. Then I google an idea or key word that I'm given, and I find 'proof' that what I've been given is indeed document historical fact.

IDK if it was you or someone else that called what I do the 'drich rope a dope.' Where one of you thinks you got me on the ropes with some fact or concept that your pushing, and all of the sudden 'boom' I lay out something that just destroys the opposition's argument. 9 times out of 10 that is not intentional. I simply go with what God gives me, when he gives it to me. Yes I choose my words very carfully, because I know I must honor what I have been given to understand completely in order for God to fully support what it is I do here. Otherwise I would not be able to stand and defend what I believe with my current level of education.

When you/I have the Holy Spirit the 'proof' comes in the way of knowledge first. Not just one or twice or even a few times... I've been defending the faith for almost 10 years now, and little has changed from the first post to this one. Granted I have learned a tremoundous amount (It sounds strange, but by answering your questions I learn things I never knew.) this knowledge/wisdom is far beyond my own limits, which are known by me. and, because I know my limits and see the things I am able to do despite my limits (day in day out over the period of years/almost a decade) I find/found the proof I needed.. I know it may not be enough for you to hear me talk about it, but Imagine if you could experience what I have described for yourself, or something equally as amazing daily. Something far above and beyond your limits and abilities. would this be proof for you?

That is what Christ offers in Luke 11... That level of 'proof' if we simply A/S/K for it and remain faithful to what he gives.

The parameters of my killing an immortal are all found back in that post.

What is lust? it's a thought is it not? Are you telling me that not having full control over your thoughts has nothing to do with 'free will?' I would think 'free will' would start at having complete control over how I think. But to you and your version of 'free will' not having control of your thoughts is 'proof' of your free will? how does that work?

You're telling we can? I'm sure I can find another christian who tells me he can too, but if I get you both in a room you won't agree on some of the things this one guy is telling you. So either it's not really true, or Jesus is really crappy at communication. Hence the wars between christians on how to properly worship the same god. I'm afraid that claiming to know things you didn't know before isn't really proof, because there's no way for the rest of us to really test it. People have made careers out of supposedly knowing things they shouldn't, and called themselves psychics, but that's still not very consistent.

I may have said this before, but if someone wants a relationship with me, they have to initiate it. No god has initiated a conversation with me on a level I've been able to notice and show to other people.

Oh, the killing an immortal part. ok. How could an immortal being atone for the crime of killing an immortal? Community service. Doing favors for the family. Though if it's the whole species, then doing good for the next species? I don't know about specifics. Burning someone alive for eternity has no constructive result. It's just watching someone scream in agony endlessly.

Free will is being able to act the way you want to act. Having autonomy. Granted being able to think your own thoughts is needed to act how you want to act, but it doesn't mean having complete control over the thoughts you have. People should be judged by their actions. Not their thoughts. That's why I think the god of the bible is evil. He says he's the good guy, but he acts like a psycho.