Have you ever seen people say Vladimir Putin is a good leader?

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Today's standards of a moral person? You seem to be implying that morality is subjective to the cultural standard of morality. Morality is objective, based on how fair the standards are for treating others. This is one of the things that religious people will say, which is morality is cultural. It's not.

Way to miss my point about what does he mean by good, effective or moral, and drill down into a philosophical question that's been argued for centuries.

Having said that historically societal morality has and will hopefully continue to evolve over time. Theists are usually the ones arguing objective morality with the line separating moral from immoral dictated by some deity or another.

Okay, well the deity argument is stupid. I already have my own opinion on this subject, I don't feel uncertain about it either. I'll quote myself from half an hour ago.

For example, the reason you call it subjective morality is because that's the way you see it. Let me give you an analogy. If I believed that putting leeches on someone or grinding spices with a rino horn and then putting it on your food cured cancer, I'd be wrong. I'd be viewing what I believe to be the correct medical practice through a misguided lens. The same can apply to morality, there is a right and wrong way of viewing morality, but like science and any tool of understanding, our morality is only as good as our ability to measure. Objective truth exists, albeit outside of our knowledge, or what we can obviously witness to be immoral; aka the horrific persecution of homosexuals or assassinating political rivals.

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What's your point?

Look a the title of the thread, it's a question, I was answering it.............

Ah, true. You did.