RE: US Muslims struggle with condemnation
December 6, 2015 at 11:20 pm
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2015 at 11:32 pm by paulpablo.)
(December 6, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(December 6, 2015 at 10:53 pm)paulpablo Wrote: You do condemn those things don't you? Do you think you shouldn't?
Sometimes I do. Other times I don't know about the incident.
However, at no time have I had a microphone stuck in my face and been asked to condemn racial violence committed by another white man on a cable news network. It wasn't expected that I should be a spokesman. That double-standard is the point of my post
If you were part of the same organization that white person claimed to be a member of you might be asked those sorts of questions by people wanting to know what your view of the groups beliefs were.
Remember this is a religion not a race, you weren't raised to be a white man and there's no white man belief system, so it's slightly different circumstances.
But say if you were to go ahead with that analogy, I'm sure throughout American history it's very common, especially these days, to have a vast vast VAST amount of white people who will put themselves at risk, sometimes even their lives at risk, for the sake of racial equality in America and for black civil rights and so on.
But in western countries you do get Muslims saying "These aren't real Muslims." but I don't know if there's a level of total outrage. I don't know if many Muslims are going over there to fight ISIS, I think more of them are going over to abroad to fight FOR ISIS rather than against them.
I agree that not all Muslims should have to make a public apology but some genuine non forced condemnation goes a long way I think, on the one hand it is relieving to see a lot of Muslims condemning ISIS. On the other hand it's scary that all you have to do is interpret a book a different way and you could end up joining ISIS.
A positive example was in the news today involving a knife attack and a Muslim bystander shouted out something like "You ain't muslim bruv, you're an embarrassment." And that's slightly encouraging, it wasn't forced it was just a reaction.
A negative example would be when someone I know was talking to a Muslim who I also know, saying to him something like "They don't like homosexuality in Islam do they? They can be executed in some of those Islamic places." And the Muslim who is usually talkative about most topics just flatly said "Yeh." And It was just a feeling I got but the silence after that was a bit awkward.
I'm not saying that proves he's homophobic, but if that was me and someone said "Hey Paul, a lot of atheists are left wing communists." The very first thing I would do is explain I don't have much interest in Communism and I don't really politically swing on either left wing or right wing. And I don't even condemn Communists but I'd be quick to point out false associations with me being an atheist just out of the principle of it.
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