RE: Meaningfulness v meaninglessness; theism vs atheism;
January 10, 2011 at 5:40 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2011 at 8:08 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
dqualk Wrote:to the darkestofangels (anothe fairy tale name, this is hilarious, it reminds me of this study that showed that atheist are something like 5 times more likely to be supersticious then christians when it comes to horroscopes astrology etc)I'm rather certain that that study is bullshit.
Otherwise, I can point to the study that there is a greater perponderance of theists in prison over the general public. Which suggests that atheists lead more moral lives.
dqualk Wrote:Go ahead and try to prove an objective fact or truth apart from God concerning morality or success.
Two things.
First, no one has made a positive claim. I simply reject the claim that god has anything to do with our world. If anything needs to be proven, it's that you need to connect human morality and success to god.
Second of all, I can point to any and all human acts - successful, moral, or not - and positively use it to point out that none of these events prove or disprove that god is connected and that no such connection is warrented as an explaination.
dqualk Wrote:Yes I recognize that morality is still not easy, even within Theism, but at least within Theism you pass the first hurdle, and say yes there is morality, now lets attempt to make sense of it.
With theism, all you did was state where morality comes from without questioning the logic or reason behind that assumption. You simply state that to be a fact whether or not it's actually true.
That's just as if you filled in all the answers on the test with whatever sounds like an answer rather than anything resembling the actual answer and attempting to pass it off as realistic and thoughtful answers.
You can boast, moan, and bemoan us all you want. It doesn't mean you're going to pass the test.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan