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Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
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Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
Some say that we should reject polytheism because Occam's Razor says that "we ought not to multiply entities beyond necessity" (or, something like that).  But, if we are going to reject polytheism via Occam's Razor, why shouldn't the same argument apply to theism or deism?  After all, if naturalism offers plausible explanations for everything (including, "Why there is something rather than nothing?"  Answer:  The Cosmos is beginningless and endless), why, per Occam's Razor, appeal to anything beyond naturalism which would be to "multiply entities beyond necessity?"
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
don't mean to derail your thread, but I have never contemplated Occam's Razor in regards to Mormonism before.


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RE: Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
(February 4, 2017 at 5:19 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Some say that we should reject polytheism because Occam's Razor says that "we ought not to multiply entities beyond necessity" (or, something like that).  But, if we are going to reject polytheism via Occam's Razor, why shouldn't the same argument apply to theism or deism?  After all, if naturalism offers plausible explanations for everything (including, "Why there is something rather than nothing?"  Answer:  The Cosmos is beginningless and endless), why, per Occam's Razor, appeal to anything beyond naturalism which would be to "multiply entities beyond necessity?"

If I'm going to accept a prefabricated list of things I should and should not believe, I might as well go on back to church.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

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RE: Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
I'm being a bit of a Devil's advocate here; I am not using Occam's Razor as an argument, rather, I am saying that some Christians are using it to argue against polytheism, but if it applies to polytheism, why does it not also apply to theism, in general, and Christian theism, in particular?
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
I think polytheism is a far closer model of reality than monotheism. The extreme divergence of the descriptions of deities, coupled with the geographical tendencies, points far more towards several competing guys than one continually misunderstood one.
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RE: Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
Polytheism at least has distinct personalities and functions compartmentalized into individual gods. If one tries to stuff all those traits and quirks into a monotheistic deity, the entities that are being unnecessarily multiplied are the monogod's behaviours -- and then a multiplicity of apologists is required to try to explain those often contradictory behaviours.

No, from an Occam's Razor POV, polytheism is actually a much cleaner system.
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RE: Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
(February 5, 2017 at 4:37 am)Astreja Wrote: Polytheism at least has distinct personalities and functions compartmentalized into individual gods.  If one tries to stuff all those traits and quirks into a monotheistic deity, the entities that are being unnecessarily multiplied are the monogod's behaviours -- and then a multiplicity of apologists is required to try to explain those often contradictory behaviours.

No, from an Occam's Razor POV, polytheism is actually a much cleaner system.

I would agree.  Kind of reminds me of the old Star Trek episode where the "gods" are gambling using 'quatloos':



And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
It doesn't apply to their beliefs because 'special snowflake'…
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RE: Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
The god of reason tells me that a monogod would be unnecessarily conflicted with himself. But the god of insanity tells me that with all the crazy things that happen in this would, that may be the case.Smile
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

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RE: Occam's Razor, atheism, theism and polytheism.
(February 5, 2017 at 4:15 am)robvalue Wrote: I think polytheism is a far closer model of reality than monotheism. The extreme divergence of the descriptions of deities, coupled with the geographical tendencies, points far more towards several competing guys than one continually misunderstood one.

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