RE: Meaningfulness v meaninglessness; theism vs atheism;
January 10, 2011 at 10:35 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2011 at 10:51 pm by dqualk.)
To Shell B,
He is the one being insulting. I am responding in a negative manner. I do not need to define how the Church speaks as a while She has done that Herself, perhaps if you studied it a little you would find how the Church speaks as a whole. Ignorant.
I can write I am an atheist on my-shirt or any other stupid slogan and that doesnt make me an atheist. Hitler had many Priests and Bishops killed and threatened to kill the Pope himself. Hitler made many negative comments about religion in general. There are many documentaries, books and resources on Hitler and what he believed. For certain he did not give two shits about the Church. He saw it simply as a means to a sick sadistic end.
Why don't you show me how it is bull shit that the Church has always condemned anti-semetism. Jesus Himself is a Jew. Mary is a Jew, all of the apostles were Jews, Paul was a Jew, St. John of the Cross and Teresa Avilla were Jews. The Church has always and everywhere condemend any racism.
He is a liar because he said Hitler is a good Catholic. This is just a lie.
You Shell B are clearly only writing to insult as well. You are not attempting to parse out truth, you are just defending this person because he is similar to you and attacking me becasue you enjoy insulting Christians, very lame.
Anger is virtuous at times. I'm not angry at just anyone. I'm not even really angry at minimalist. I'm angry becaues someone is pretending to be intelligent when really there are as bad as any dogmatic person who says things that are not to the point just to make people angry. Like you for example.
And last and certainly not least, who defines what is Christian like? I promise you that it is not your stupid opinion. Do not go about saying "that wasn't very Christian of you" when you know nothing of Christianity. But I think it is funny that you recognize how Christians are typically tender to people out of their love for their neighbor. I will say that you represent your atheist community in a vile and stupid way. Fortunately I am not quick to apply to all atheist the stupidity of you and minimalist. And I'm sure you and minimalist are actually not that bad, except when you are talking to a Christian on the internet. But I would ask that you and minimalist refrain from stupid arguemnts like, Hitler was a Catholic so Catholics are evil. Or some priests commited attrocities in the past so Catholics are evil, as if atheist are pure as the wind driven snow. Grow up.
It is not logically impossible, God is just wholly apart from any system of logic within this world. It is logical that a being outside of temporality would not be measureable within a temporal realm. However, even peopel as early as Plato and Aristotle recognized that for their to be reason and meaning there had to be an unmoved mover. They discovered this by the light of reason.
Your second argument is not really a valid arguement but it is a strong one in an emotional sense. It reminds me of Ghandi saying I like your Christ but not your Christians. I can understand why you object to Christianity, or Theism in general, in that sense.
I would say that the beauty of God is that He will take all of the evil of the world and radically redeem it so that something so beautiful will happen in the future that it will inundate all of the evils of the past with love. I don't expect you to just swim the Tiber on that statement or anything, but it is a beautiful hope that I cling to.
It is so ignorant and rash to say taht Nazisim was Christian in any regard. The first victims were the Christians like the thousands of clergymen who were slaughtered by the Nazis. Pope Pius XII saved more Jewish lives than any human being at that time by smuggleing Jews out of Italy and Germany, and by giving them false baptismal certificated to save their lives.
if you want to watch a docmentary that is half decent and doesnt pull to many punches you can watch The Cross and the Star. Its on netflix under Nazi Medicine / The Cross and the Star. It demonstrates taht Hitler hated Christianty and sought to replace it with a new kind of Nazi religion and taht the primary motivations for the Nazi intellectuals was a belief in materialism. This was the entire motivation behind nazism. They said that the only good was a utilitarian treatement of man whereby men seek to advance teh species of man by eliminating dumb/sickly/et al. people from the gene pool. They used arguements that Jews got sick easier to justify eradicating them. Ultimately teh motivation behind nazisism was radical disbelief in God and morality in general. Might made right in Nazism.
Please grow up and admit that Christianty is worlds apart from Nazism. Further, if you want Christianity in its short and simple look at the person of Jesus within the New Testament. He is the ultimate example of what a perfect human looks like within the belief of Chrstianity. Anything less than a life like Jesus' is at best tolerated because of the curcumstances of a fallen world, at worst not permissible at all.
lol that is actually hilarious. ive never seen that before, but it is so true.
He is the one being insulting. I am responding in a negative manner. I do not need to define how the Church speaks as a while She has done that Herself, perhaps if you studied it a little you would find how the Church speaks as a whole. Ignorant.
I can write I am an atheist on my-shirt or any other stupid slogan and that doesnt make me an atheist. Hitler had many Priests and Bishops killed and threatened to kill the Pope himself. Hitler made many negative comments about religion in general. There are many documentaries, books and resources on Hitler and what he believed. For certain he did not give two shits about the Church. He saw it simply as a means to a sick sadistic end.
Why don't you show me how it is bull shit that the Church has always condemned anti-semetism. Jesus Himself is a Jew. Mary is a Jew, all of the apostles were Jews, Paul was a Jew, St. John of the Cross and Teresa Avilla were Jews. The Church has always and everywhere condemend any racism.
He is a liar because he said Hitler is a good Catholic. This is just a lie.
You Shell B are clearly only writing to insult as well. You are not attempting to parse out truth, you are just defending this person because he is similar to you and attacking me becasue you enjoy insulting Christians, very lame.
Anger is virtuous at times. I'm not angry at just anyone. I'm not even really angry at minimalist. I'm angry becaues someone is pretending to be intelligent when really there are as bad as any dogmatic person who says things that are not to the point just to make people angry. Like you for example.
And last and certainly not least, who defines what is Christian like? I promise you that it is not your stupid opinion. Do not go about saying "that wasn't very Christian of you" when you know nothing of Christianity. But I think it is funny that you recognize how Christians are typically tender to people out of their love for their neighbor. I will say that you represent your atheist community in a vile and stupid way. Fortunately I am not quick to apply to all atheist the stupidity of you and minimalist. And I'm sure you and minimalist are actually not that bad, except when you are talking to a Christian on the internet. But I would ask that you and minimalist refrain from stupid arguemnts like, Hitler was a Catholic so Catholics are evil. Or some priests commited attrocities in the past so Catholics are evil, as if atheist are pure as the wind driven snow. Grow up.
Rhizomorph13 Wrote:What Min is saying is not stupid. Religion posits a being that is logically impossible. God exists outside of time and material space but interacts with reality without leaving any scientifically testable evidence. Even if we can't view God directly surely the actions from the God of the bible would be measureable in quality of life for His people, or divorce statistics, or any of the other things that believers pray about.
It is not logically impossible, God is just wholly apart from any system of logic within this world. It is logical that a being outside of temporality would not be measureable within a temporal realm. However, even peopel as early as Plato and Aristotle recognized that for their to be reason and meaning there had to be an unmoved mover. They discovered this by the light of reason.
Your second argument is not really a valid arguement but it is a strong one in an emotional sense. It reminds me of Ghandi saying I like your Christ but not your Christians. I can understand why you object to Christianity, or Theism in general, in that sense.
I would say that the beauty of God is that He will take all of the evil of the world and radically redeem it so that something so beautiful will happen in the future that it will inundate all of the evils of the past with love. I don't expect you to just swim the Tiber on that statement or anything, but it is a beautiful hope that I cling to.
Ashendant Wrote:Nazi was as Christian as it gets, Hitler just hated organized religion as a system of control of his people, he also used religion as a lure for it's religious citizens to misbehave, which makes him a hypocrite, but that's most certainly not the worst thing he's been called.
It is so ignorant and rash to say taht Nazisim was Christian in any regard. The first victims were the Christians like the thousands of clergymen who were slaughtered by the Nazis. Pope Pius XII saved more Jewish lives than any human being at that time by smuggleing Jews out of Italy and Germany, and by giving them false baptismal certificated to save their lives.
if you want to watch a docmentary that is half decent and doesnt pull to many punches you can watch The Cross and the Star. Its on netflix under Nazi Medicine / The Cross and the Star. It demonstrates taht Hitler hated Christianty and sought to replace it with a new kind of Nazi religion and taht the primary motivations for the Nazi intellectuals was a belief in materialism. This was the entire motivation behind nazism. They said that the only good was a utilitarian treatement of man whereby men seek to advance teh species of man by eliminating dumb/sickly/et al. people from the gene pool. They used arguements that Jews got sick easier to justify eradicating them. Ultimately teh motivation behind nazisism was radical disbelief in God and morality in general. Might made right in Nazism.
Please grow up and admit that Christianty is worlds apart from Nazism. Further, if you want Christianity in its short and simple look at the person of Jesus within the New Testament. He is the ultimate example of what a perfect human looks like within the belief of Chrstianity. Anything less than a life like Jesus' is at best tolerated because of the curcumstances of a fallen world, at worst not permissible at all.
Rhizomorph13 Wrote:Oh, and dqualk, I feel I should inform you that you have already lost in this thread according to Godwin's law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
But don't worry though, there is definitly porn about is according to Rule 34.
lol that is actually hilarious. ive never seen that before, but it is so true.
