(December 13, 2015 at 2:30 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(December 13, 2015 at 1:32 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We don't believe they physically turn into flesh/blood. It's more of a spiritual thing, but definitely something that we think is very real.
the Catechism\ authors Wrote:The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation."
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1376.htm
Clearly, by use of the word "substance" in this context, the reference is to material change, not "spiritual" -- whatever you mean by that.
Yes, perhaps spiritual is not the right word to explain it. But obviously we don't believe it physically becomes skin and blood, since it is still bread and wine when we consume it. It is still in the form of bread and wine, but Jesus is physically present. I'd say that's the best way to describe it.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
