RE: Meaningfulness v meaninglessness; theism vs atheism;
January 14, 2011 at 8:58 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2011 at 5:05 am by Ubermensch.)
dqualk Wrote:Ubermensch its called propaganda. Here is a quote frome Mein Kamf on Hitler's idea of propaganda.
"To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)
How about you silly athesit (not that all atheists are silly) try to prove that Hitler was a Christian with personal statements of his orthodox belief and his behavior? Did Hitler go to Mass? Did he do anything that would suggest that he actually was a Christian with Christian convictions? Did he do anything that might suggest he HATED Christianity, like perhaps kill Christians, destroy churches, threaten the Pope and break nearly every teaching of the Catholic Church?
Yes that surely is propaganda, well done on pointing that out. 10 points to Gryffindor. What is your point?
dqualk Wrote:The Catholic Church has consistently condemned Nazism to this day and will continue to in the future, including all the Popes since Hitler. Many many priests and Bishops lost their lives condemning nazism. The Pontiff did not condemn it in his day for fear that it would cause the destruction of the Vatican and the loss of even more Catholic lives around the world. Many people do not realize that what the Pope says can cost the lives of thousands, indeed millions.
Alright, I will concede that. Yes, the church has condemned Nazism and its acts. But only after the fact, not during, when it really truly mattered. This singular act of cowardice shows me that the church quite clearly does not believe what it teaches. Why should the pope care about material things like churches? God is in every mans heart. Why should it matter if catholics die? They're going to heaven.
You have no idea how true it is that the words of the pope kill thousands.
Also if I may, I'd like to point out that most of the Crusades were organised for fun and profit on behalf of whichever pope was in power at the time. There is not a shred of evidence to suggest that Christians were being oppressed and slaughtered in the holy land. In point of fact, the middle east at that time was far more religiously tolerant than Europe was and had a number of homegrown christian sects. Finally, one crusade, I cannot remember which one, ended with the crusader armies attacking the other bunch of Christians that hung around in that area, the Byzantines, this was done for fun and profit by the vatican.
"If an injury must be done to a man, it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared" - Niccolo Macchiavelli