Sad thought about Jesus.

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Sad thought about Jesus.

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RE: Sad thought about Jesus.

December 17, 2015 at 3:29 am

(December 16, 2015 at 9:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(December 16, 2015 at 8:04 pm)Lek Wrote: Well, you are correct that the Greek word doesn't directly translate into "everlasting", but more closely "for the age". In other words, it could mean a limited time, which seems to be better supported by scripture.

Really: Courtesy of the fine folks at Bible Gateway.com

Quote:◄ Matthew 25:46 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

New Living Translation
"And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life."

English Standard Version
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Berean Study Bible
And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Berean Literal Bible
And these will go away into eternal punishment; but the righteous into eternal life."

New American Standard Bible
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

King James Bible
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

International Standard Version
These people will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life."

NET Bible
And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And these will go into eternal torture, and the righteous into eternal life.”

Which of course leads to the question of what does "eternal" mean in plain English?

Well:

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1eternal

adjective eter·nal \i-ˈtər-nəl\
: having no beginning and no end in time : lasting forever
: existing at all times : always true or valid
: seeming to last forever
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Full Definition of ETERNAL
1
a : having infinite duration : everlasting <eternal damnation>

b : of or relating to eternity

c : characterized by abiding fellowship with God <good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? — Mark 10:17(Revised Standard Version)>
2
a : continued without intermission : perpetual <an eternal flame>

b : seemingly endless <eternal delays>
3
archaic : infernal <some eternal villain … devised this slander — Shakespeare>
4
: valid or existing at all times : timeless <eternal verities>

So only the KJV translates the word as "everlasting" while everyone else goes with "eternal." I submit the difference is inconsequential but it does suggest to me that you grasping at straws.

As usual.

As usual you ignored what was said. Lek appealed to the Greek. Your counterargument was to show different English translations. Engage the actual argument......

The same Greek word, aiōnion, is used for both the 'punishment' and the 'life.' So it would follow that if hell's punishment was limited in duration then heaven's life would also be limited in duration.
Greek text
Definition of aionion

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Sad thought about Jesus. - by TrueChristian - December 14, 2015 at 6:05 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Chad32 - December 14, 2015 at 6:10 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 17, 2015 at 2:51 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 17, 2015 at 3:34 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 17, 2015 at 5:32 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 17, 2015 at 9:27 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 18, 2015 at 7:38 am

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Faith No More - December 14, 2015 at 6:15 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 19, 2015 at 1:34 am

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 14, 2015 at 6:16 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 14, 2015 at 6:18 pm

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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Drich - December 16, 2015 at 12:46 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 16, 2015 at 7:37 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 4:04 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 16, 2015 at 7:52 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 16, 2015 at 8:04 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 16, 2015 at 9:15 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 16, 2015 at 9:38 pm

RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 17, 2015 at 3:29 am

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