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The Ontological Argument for the Existence of God
RE: The Ontological Argument for the Existence of God
(December 18, 2015 at 2:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think intuition says a Necessary being exists which is the true nature of existence. That is why existence exists rather then not, because it's the nature of existence to exist. But the independent existence is not such that it can vary possible world to possible world. It cannot be such that it can be increased or decreased or have unnecessary attributes for existence. Existence in the truest sense is the necessary existence in all possible worlds.

Now we leave aside this intuition, and we go to an argument shows if a necessary being is rationally possible, then it surely exists. This has to say a lot. It can be that the nature of necessary is such that it cannot be possible without having to exist. That is saying a lot in itself. Rational/logic proves that much, and we have to wonder, what is embedded in reality of necessary being that if it's possible it surely exists.

The only controversy is whether such a being is possible or not rationally. I think it's quite obvious that full true existence that is absolute and ultimate is not only rationally possible, but must be. But here we only discussing if it's rationally possible such a being to exist. And it's obvious to me it is.

WTF - hasn't it already been pointed out to you that if unicorns are rationally possible, then they must also exist? As a matter of fact they are, if we allow the possibility that life was created by any intelligence, as it exists here is a rational idea!

It's also possible that life was really created by Lucifer, when he made an intergalactic pit stop, and selected the earth to wipe his evil ass with. I can't think of a better theory if there must be a creator of life, it explains why life is so poorly "designed" and cruel, with no justice for any species. Tell me, just what do you think the rabbits did to offend their creator?

Rationally, there is no necessity for a creator, and all your attempts to rationalize that there must be amount only to mental masturbation. There is what we know from what we have been able to observe since the ruling priests began losing their iron grip on intellectual discussion everywhere, and then there's what isn't known yet. The pseudo-intellectualism which you present here is beyond laughable, for all the convoluted ramblings and misapplication of logic. Moreover, it's beyond arrogant to draw conclusions of "necessity" on anything with no supportive data whatsoever. Life is not a designed watch found in the woods, it developed from the bottom up - we can see that, but we cannot see any reason why anybody would involve him/herself in any process such as that. We really don't know exactly how the origin took place, so just leave it at that, instead of creating more problems such as infinite regress: who created the creator? If somebody must have created us, then somebody must have created our creator!

Here's a much better rule for you: The simplest answer is usually the best answer.
Occam's Razor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Your answer fails for being horribly over-complicated.
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RE: The Ontological Argument for the Existence of God - by Cato - December 17, 2015 at 10:10 pm
RE: The Ontological Argument for the Existence of God - by Cato - December 17, 2015 at 11:33 pm
RE: The Ontological Argument for the Existence of God - by Cato - December 19, 2015 at 12:59 pm
RE: The Ontological Argument for the Existence of God - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 18, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: The Ontological Argument for the Existence of God - by Cato - December 24, 2015 at 10:26 am

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