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Sad thought about Jesus.
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus.
(December 17, 2015 at 2:30 pm)Lek Wrote:
(December 16, 2015 at 9:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Which of course leads to the question of what does "eternal" mean in plain English?



So only the KJV translates the word as "everlasting" while everyone else goes with "eternal."  I submit the difference is inconsequential but it does suggest to me that you grasping at straws.

As usual.

The question isn't what does the word "eternal" mean, but rather what does the word "aionios" mean, because the verse was written in Greek, not English.  The word clearly has meaning other than the English word "eternal".  If someone goes to hell for a limited time and then is annihilated, his punishment is eternal even though he doesn't spend eternity in hell, but he is gone for eternity, which could support Drich's view.  On the other hand, Plato who is credited with likely inventing the word, used aionious in referring to certain souls in Hades who are to return to earth - hardly an eternal punishment.  Plato saw aionios punishment as always being of God, with any punishment of God (who is eternal) as having eternal consequences.  When speaking of the gods, who were eternal, he used a different Greek word - "aidios", which referred to them living eternally versus using aionios, belonging to time, when speaking of humanity.  Anyway, the bible speaks clearly that Jesus came to save the "world".  That's all of us.

Which Greek alphabet is the word written in?
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Sad thought about Jesus. - by TrueChristian - December 14, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Chad32 - December 14, 2015 at 6:10 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 17, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 17, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 17, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 17, 2015 at 9:27 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 18, 2015 at 7:38 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Faith No More - December 14, 2015 at 6:15 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 19, 2015 at 1:34 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 14, 2015 at 6:16 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 14, 2015 at 6:18 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 14, 2015 at 6:22 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by vorlon13 - December 14, 2015 at 6:47 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by drfuzzy - December 14, 2015 at 8:02 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by ignoramus - December 14, 2015 at 9:11 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 14, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Homeless Nutter - December 15, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by ignoramus - December 15, 2015 at 12:28 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Homeless Nutter - December 15, 2015 at 6:15 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by athrock - December 15, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Crossless1 - December 15, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Sappho - December 15, 2015 at 9:45 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Drich - December 16, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 16, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 4:04 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 16, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 16, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 16, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 16, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 17, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 17, 2015 at 4:33 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by drfuzzy - December 17, 2015 at 11:53 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 17, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by drfuzzy - December 17, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 17, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 18, 2015 at 11:35 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Drich - December 17, 2015 at 9:31 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 17, 2015 at 3:12 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by RobbyPants - December 17, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 17, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 18, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by dyresand - December 19, 2015 at 1:09 am
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 19, 2015 at 8:05 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 19, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 19, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 20, 2015 at 1:01 am
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by robvalue - December 19, 2015 at 9:22 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Crossless1 - December 19, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 20, 2015 at 1:09 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 21, 2015 at 12:14 am
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 21, 2015 at 9:08 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 21, 2015 at 9:25 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 11:26 am
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by drfuzzy - December 21, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 22, 2015 at 1:07 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 22, 2015 at 2:50 am
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 8:46 pm
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by The Valkyrie - December 21, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 21, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by dyresand - December 22, 2015 at 1:17 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Athene - December 22, 2015 at 1:35 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 2:44 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 22, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Homeless Nutter - December 22, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 22, 2015 at 2:18 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 9:10 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 22, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 22, 2015 at 11:36 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 23, 2015 at 12:30 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by robvalue - December 23, 2015 at 2:25 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 3:03 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 23, 2015 at 4:05 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 23, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 3:05 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by robvalue - December 23, 2015 at 4:19 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 4:28 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 23, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 23, 2015 at 9:02 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brakeman - December 24, 2015 at 12:33 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 11:04 am
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 23, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 24, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 24, 2015 at 7:24 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by dyresand - December 24, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 24, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 24, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 5:26 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 24, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 24, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 6:26 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cecelia - December 24, 2015 at 7:10 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 24, 2015 at 7:31 pm
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 24, 2015 at 6:55 pm
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 25, 2015 at 12:52 am
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