(December 12, 2015 at 1:37 pm)athrock Wrote: I have never seen this argument before, so I'm interested in some discussion of it. A philosopher by the name of Alvin Plantinga states it this way:
The Ontological Argument
- It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
- If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists is some possible world.
- If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
- If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
- If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
- Therefore, a maximally great being exists.
Thoughts?
I hate those antiquated terms.
We don't need to rely on them at all.
All god claims are are reflections of humans and their social norms and desires. There is no evidence for any god claim, made in the past or currently, and even the idea of a so called generic god, are all still gap answers. They are nothing but naked assertions.
Scientific method is how we gain knowledge and labs are where we determine if a claim is valid. This is simply mental masturbation.
Does this make sense to you?
Thor makes lightening=we observe lightening=therefor Thor exists.
Ra moves the sun= we observe the sun in the sky=therefor Ra exists.
So why would any invisible being claim made today be any less of a naked assertion?
Stephen Hawking "A god is not required".
Ontological is simply a fancy word for making excuses for human ignorance. You start a claim with crap, no matter what "formula" you follow it up with is going to produce bad conclusions.
Being open minded isn't about "anything is possible as a starting point", being open minded is starting with good data collecting and the ability to discard bad claims and bad data.
The older I get the less big words impress me. The older I get the more facts impress me. Start with good data from the start you minimize the chances of mistakes and increase the chances that your conclusions will be accurate.