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Meaningfulness v meaninglessness; theism vs atheism;
RE: Meaningfulness v meaninglessness; theism vs atheism;
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Well, first, DQualk, you begged the question when you stated that there is such a "beautiful system given to us by" Christ. How could you possibly know that? Because the Bible says it's so? That's not good enough. Find some evidence outside of the canon for the meaningfulness of Jesus' claims. The beautiful system you see in place today is the result of millions of years of evolution and change within the cosmos. There is no doubt that it is beautiful. But it is beautiful without a god to make it so.

I just feel that it is beautiful, and I believe that everyone knows beauty when they see it at such a level. Loving your neighbor as yourself, sacrificial love, heroic love, intrinsic value, objective right and wrong, I believe everyone recognizes these as beautiful. Even if they believe that they are illusions.

My point is not to argue for the truth of Christianity. It is just to say that when one is presented with two valid and trustworthy systems, that is atheistic materialism, and Christian theism, why would one choose the system that is void of obejective value. Why not choose to have faith that there is intrinsic value and therefore a God? Faith is necesary to the human condition, as an infant we have faith that our mother means to do us good, therefore we latch on to the nipple rather than play the skeptic. We must accept certain properly basic beliefs to believe anything all. I think the first a priori belief that we accept as true is that there is Truth. After this we accept that we exist. Then I think we accept that there is intrinsic value, real love which flows from our free and rational soul, true purpose, objective right and wrong and non-illusory meaning.
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RE: Meaningfulness v meaninglessness; theism vs atheism; - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 10:12 am

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