RE: Meaningfulness v meaninglessness; theism vs atheism;
January 21, 2011 at 10:44 am
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2011 at 10:44 am by Ashendant.)
(January 21, 2011 at 10:12 am)dqualk Wrote: I just feel that it is beautiful, and I believe that everyone knows beauty when they see it at such a level. Loving your neighbor as yourself, sacrificial love, heroic love, intrinsic value, objective right and wrong, I believe everyone recognizes these as beautiful. Even if they believe that they are illusions.
Quote:Loving your neighbor as yourselfEmpathy
Quote:sacrificial loveFaith(not religious faith) in a cause is independent of a Christian God, and love is chemical reaction
Quote:heroic loveHeroism is independent of a Christian god, and love is chemical reaction
Quote:intrinsic valueWe are of the same species
Quote:objective right and wrongThere's no such thing, that's subjective
All that can be explained by both Biological and Social Evolution
(January 21, 2011 at 10:12 am)dqualk Wrote: My point is not to argue for the truth of Christianity. It is just to say that when one is presented with two valid and trustworthy systems, that is atheistic materialism, and Christian theism, why would one choose the system that is void of obejective value. Why not choose to have faith that there is intrinsic value and therefore a God? Faith is necesary to the human condition, as an infant we have faith that our mother means to do us good, therefore we latch on to the nipple rather than play the skeptic. We must accept certain properly basic beliefs to believe anything all. I think the first a priori belief that we accept as true is that there is Truth. After this we accept that we exist. Then I think we accept that there is intrinsic value, real love which flows from our free and rational soul, true purpose, objective right and wrong and non-illusory meaning.What about Islamic Theism or Hindu Theism or Jewish Theism or Buddhism or Greek Theism or Nordic Theism or the other millions of theism that were born, died, returned and died again, and still live to this day
You can believe in other things than deities you can believe in humanity, nature or science, i have faith in those 3 things, but it's not religious faith, we as a whole are a species humanity however we evolved past Specie-ism, we are sapient being capable of rationality and mental evolution, we can move past the beliefs of those held by the past.
There is Truth, that truth is we and the Universe exist, and Intrinsic value is granted by consensus of the society, Love is just chemical reactions in our brain, there isn't a soul, just our minds, our purpose was given to us by evolution, Survive and we survive better as a society, again right and wrong is subjective, and reality might just be a illusion of a feeble mind.
