Meaningfulness v meaninglessness; theism vs atheism;

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Faith(not religious faith) in a cause is independent of a Christian God, and love is chemical reaction

I disagree I believe love is real. Just like I beleive that truth actually exists, and I actually exist. I believe both of those assumptions without evidence, indeed both of them are suprarational. Likewise I believe love is real. It is more real than my physical body, or any other physical quality.

All that can be explained by both Biological and Social Evolution

The fact that it can be explained in a limited sense by biological and social evoltution does not mean its true. For example, it can also be explained by use of the idea of God.

What about Islamic Theism or Hindu Theism or Jewish Theism or Buddhism or Greek Theism or Nordic Theism or the other millions of theism that were born, died, returned and died again, and still live to this day

You can believe in other things than deities you can believe in humanity, nature or science, i have faith in those 3 things, but it's not religious faith, we as a whole are a species humanity however we evolved past Specie-ism, we are sapient being capable of rationality and mental evolution, we can move past the beliefs of those held by the past.

There is Truth, that truth is we and the Universe exist, and Intrinsic value is granted by consensus of the society, Love is just chemical reactions in our brain, there isn't a soul, just our minds, our purpose was given to us by evolution, Survive and we survive better as a society, again right and wrong is subjective, and reality might just be a illusion of a feeble mind.

What about them?

You can believe in those things, but at the end of the day you are choosing to belive in something, and I think that a better arguement can be made for believing in God. I understand it is a difficult thing to wrestle with so I am not surprised when people end up on the other side of the decision. However, I think that we should all have a healthy respect for legitimate worldviews. If anything theism does make sense, and it is certainly plausible even if you or someone else cannot quite accept it for whatever reasons, perhaps a disdain for authority or the problem of evil is to big a problem to be explained away with the current explanations available.

You accept that there is a truth, but you cannot prove that there is a truth. It is something you believe with faith becuase it makes everything else make sense, and because there is something deep within you that screams that there is truth. In the same way, perhaps more complex, I believe in God, becuase He makes everything make sense, Truth, love, meaning, right and wrong, intrinsic value, and because there is something deep within me that screams God is real, love is real, Truth is real, there is a right and there is a wrong and so on.

Also, I like the way you boil it down to what I beleive is the biggest problem with materialist atheism and that is " reality might just be a illusion of a feeble mind" I believe this is what atheism ultimately leads to, and that is why we are suffering in this "post modern" mentality where nothing is real and truth is an illusion. For this reason I calim that Theism is actually more rational than atheism, becuase within Theism reason is real. In materialistic atheism even laws of nature change. I chuckeled one time when a few weeks ago when I read a BBC news article that said some scientist has found evidence that the universe has been expanding and compressing forever. He said if this is true this means that laws change. And therefore Truth changes, there is no constant by which we can make absolute observations, that is apart from, everything is always changing, which itself makes no sense when everythign is always changing.