RE: The Ontological Argument for the Existence of God
December 24, 2015 at 5:21 am
(This post was last modified: December 24, 2015 at 5:57 am by God of Mr. Hanky.)
(December 24, 2015 at 12:12 am)Delicate Wrote:(December 21, 2015 at 8:02 pm)Pizza Wrote: Why can't you just answer my question? I'm not asking for much here.
Are you conceding that the Ontological argument isn't an argument for a personal cause? Well, okay then. I don't see how that's a victory for Christian theism at all.
Also if you can't get anyone to believe your conceptual analysis of maximal greatness is correct then I don't see how you and others think this argument is to work. In this case an "omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect" cause creating a world like this one is insulting to intelligence of atheist and theist alike.
Because you're asking a loaded question that presupposes semantic trickery.
Yep - the Devil's out to get you here. Just keep telling yourself that, and you'll never have to believe anything unless you want to.
The most interesting fact on faith-based beliefs is that before an evangelist can make one a "believer", he must first trick him with the false notion that you can actually "believe" an idea by "choice". This idea detracts the mark (as in a con man's "mark") from actually evaluating what he tells them, including the ideas that the bible is the absolute truth, that he knows it well, and that he is in close contact with the god who he claims to follow. He'll say it's up to you to follow that god as well, and that this choice is what it means to be a "believer", when it has nothing whatsoever to do with evaluating the veracity of the claims made of that god's reality or power. He wouldn't want you to make that evaluation because once you have, believing his doctine is no choice at all - either it makes sense to you, or it doesn't.
You, Delicate, are indeed in a delicate situation with your faith, as is any believer who chooses to ignore his sense of logic in favor of the so-called belief which he chooses, and this is why you refuse to show any sense of logic here - you are afraid that if you do, then you will no longer be able to continue making that choice of living by ignorance. You face a different sort of choice here, and you may have it confused - no atheist is asking you to follow him, nor anyone else! Just open your eyes and evaluate the information we give you fairly before you apply judgment. Be warned that if you do, then it may change your mind, but if you won't even do that, then all you can do here is waste time and insult people.
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