(December 29, 2015 at 7:15 am)Delicate Wrote:(December 29, 2015 at 5:55 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: So your refutation of my plea for proof is to posit we are in the matrix and it could all be a lie. Do you realise that that particular argument is either used by stoners or people who have lost any hope of winning an argument based on actual reality.This sounds like a very immature response.
So I declare myself the winner of our exchanges based on the fact that you have shifted the nature of reality to make your position reasonable.
I win.
My response is actually to reject your evidentialism for foundationalism.
But if you are desperate to win rather than explore, think, and learn about these issues by having a meaningful discussion, feel free to take the paper crown.
I don't care about a victory so much as stimulating discussion.
What you did was to move the basis for knowledge.
You posited a reality that we cannot possibly know because it could all be a lie. If that was true then all bets are off and we might as well give up now. But that is not how I view reality I base my view on what can reasonably be proved assuming that reality is in fact real and not some sort of computer simulation, I don't think this is an unreasonable stance and if in the end I am just a brain in a jar or character in an advanced version of the sims well well done to the programmer a I am convinced that I am real and base my view on the assumption that I am a real person.
Where as what you suggested was that ultimately we can't be sure this is all unreal so you may as well believe in god. Or to put it another way, you conceded that the only way your god makes any sense is if you change the nature of reality to make all things possible or unreal. Then you claim that MY view is the immature one when yours is the view of stoned thirteen year olds postulating on the nature of reality during lunch break.
You are good at asking us questions so explain your idea of what god is I notice you ignored my last bunch. I must think that you are arguing for a god you don't really understand.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.