RE: Christians take on the more nihilistic atheists
December 29, 2015 at 7:13 pm
(This post was last modified: December 29, 2015 at 7:16 pm by Jehanne.)
(December 29, 2015 at 5:30 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(December 29, 2015 at 11:48 am)Jehanne Wrote: In my opinion, atheism is a bottom-up philosophy as opposed to a top-down one. The fact that where I am sitting on the Earth right now, spending my days & nights going around in a circle at approximately 750 mph is not something that was intuitively obvious to people for millennia on end. After all, who would have thought of something like that? And, yet, you can fit into a typical high school gym the number of individuals who would vehemently deny such a proposition and who would be willing to make a public stand for their ideas. Ditto for consciousness, free will, "something from nothing," etc., not being "top down" conclusions but "button up" ones, having been formulated by decades of scientific evidence and thought. I have spent my whole life of nearly 50 years open to the existence of god, and yet, god does not speak to me at all, and yet, theists would have me believe that I will encounter him/her/it once I am dead, as if death is an "experience" which, finally, brings one into a direct encounter with the divine. However, with the range of "after death" possibilities (with annihilation being the most likely one), I don't see why I should favor one alternative (say, heaven/hell) over another (say, reincarnation) over yet another, ad infinitum.
Life has meaning and purpose because we choose to give it meaning and purpose, and, why not? The alternatives are utter chaos; if I see a human or non-human animal suffering, I do whatever I can to help that individual. I don't like to suffer and I don't like seeing others suffer as well, which is why we, as an organized society, mandate that 911 operators be prepared to work nights, weekends and holidays. I don't see any reason to appeal to some sort of "high power" to justify my dislike of suffering; on the other hand, there are folks who like suffering, either themselves or watching it being inflicted on others or even inflicting such suffering themselves; we refer to such individuals as being psychos.
NO it is not a "philosophy"....... There are atheist Jews, atheist Buddhists, there are atheist who vote Republican and Libertarian and Liberal. Some atheists think "all this" being the universe is a giant living thing. I find that idea as hokey as any standard ancient woo with a human like super power.
"Atheist" merely means "off" on god claims. Outside that our "worldviews" can be and are diverse.
Now, if you want to argue the averages of atheists being more accepting of science, that is a better argument, but even then atheists can and do have their own woo claims as well. We don't agree on all things all the time, so it is improper to attach an "ism" to the word "atheist" or call it a "philosophy". Atheists can have philosophies, but the word itself is not an all encompassing philosophy.
Now science being a method, proves that consciousness in biological life is an emergent property and not a starting point and that life is finite.
But that is not atheism, because like I said, Buddhists have their own superstitions and would call themselves atheists, and pantheists as well do not believe in a god, but believe "all this" is part of a bigger awareness. All can be atheists with completely different philosophies.
I probably should have used the word methodology as opposed to philosophy. I was using "philosophy" kind of like "football coach" philosophy. We're evidence driven critters, for the most part. Why believe in things (such as god) for which there is no evidence? Because, there are literally an infinite number of such "thingys" which one could believe in! I could get a piece of wood, paint it, put flowers on it, and put it in my backyard and say that it was "god". Who knows? Maybe I could start a cult and have people show-up at my house for worship services! But, I don't even take myself that seriously!
(December 29, 2015 at 6:29 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: "Bottom up"? Where is Vorlon when you need him.
God does not equal morals. No God does not equal no morals. End of story.
Organized religion probably had an evolutionary advantage, in providing societal cohesion and group conformity. However, do not start evangelizing the chimps!