RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
January 7, 2016 at 1:38 pm
(This post was last modified: January 7, 2016 at 1:40 pm by Mystic.)
(January 7, 2016 at 1:23 pm)robvalue Wrote:Quote:MK: When you have to rely on "dark forces" and "demons" to explain why things aren't the way you think they should be, then maybe that's a sign your position is not as strong as you think. I mean, I could just say the same of you. I can say Islam is just the work of "dark forces" because it's obviously wrong. It's a meaningless cop-out. Just assuming you are 100% right, yet having to give extra supernatural explanations to make reality fit, is not consistent.
In my case, I don't give a flying monkeys. If I found out there was a god, great. Makes no difference. So I'm not "denying" it, because it's of no importance. Of course there would be scientific questions I'd like to put to him if he was available for comment, and I'd like to study him.
If it is not true, at least, it gives a different perspective, at most it may influence a person to go against bad motives, bad thoughts, bad path because of the chance that there is an enemy misguiding us, trying to corrupt us or keep us away from the path.
That said if it is true, then either taking it as a possibility can be helpful, or perhaps we can even begin to realize the effect or reality of this force. Realize there is a struggle a battle, and it's not all just our thoughts, but there is negative thoughts that we aren't the source of and that there is some dark unclean touch sometimes that afflicts us or is growing in time, while we were once pure of it or it existed it us insignificantly.
Personally, I take this approach, because I believe God didn't just take this approach for no reason. From my perspective, obviously God knew people didn't think Satan and his forces were tying to keep people from following Mohammad or otherwise they would believe, but it gave a perspective, to perhaps see their denial of miracles as magic etc, and their opposition to the oneness of God is not something that is rational and that they sincerely have come to believe in.
He also didn't write the reminder of these forces and end the Quran with that, if it was useless to remind humans.
Personally, on my approach to the Quran, when I was a Deist, I became afraid that I perhaps was missing something in perspective due to dark forces. Personally, I believe that happened to be the case.
Did it help me as a Deist? Yes. Was it because I believe in it or even saw it as highly plausible. No. It was the very chance that motivated me, perhaps I am disbelieving or not perceiving due to that.
So I think there is a wisdom to it's reminder, even to people who don't believe in it.
