Okay...first of all, I find it insulting that you made a false assumption regarding my world view a few posts above ( assuming that my atheism is about not wanting to believe in God), I corrected you, and you just continued on with that false assumption. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't intentionally straw manning me, and try it again. My atheism has nothing to do with stubbornness, willfulness, or "not wanting to budge," as you put it. I simply don't see any evidence for a creator God. If you can't accept my world view for what it is, then we can't move forward with a discussion.
You can't begin a debate about whether or not God exists with: "assume God can..." You aren't really debating his existence if your whole premise relies on him existing. You use the word "good" in a strange way. So God creates "good," but then tortures people and also calls that "good?" I am not following your logic.
I honestly have no idea what any of that means, or how you would justify it as necessary.
Science easily explains why humans are good to each other. Google is a wonderful tool.
Honestly, none of that even makes sense. Why you think humans being good to each other is some kind of mystical phenomenon is beyond me.
I don't understand your argument, or how you think it is based in logic and rationality. Not trying to be an ass, just saying...
(January 7, 2016 at 6:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So let's modify the argument so it's more clear.
Assume where it the case an eternal creator was possible (metaphysically possible).
If that assumed eternal creator can create goodness out of nothing, it can decide it's good to torture a being for ever with intense torture for no crime on it's own in some possible world.
It's impossible that assumed eternal creator can make goodness such that it's good to torture a being forever with intense torture for no crime on it's own in any possible world
You can't begin a debate about whether or not God exists with: "assume God can..." You aren't really debating his existence if your whole premise relies on him existing. You use the word "good" in a strange way. So God creates "good," but then tortures people and also calls that "good?" I am not following your logic.
Quote:Therefore it's necessarily the case that goodness cannot be created out nothing by any assumed creator in any possible world.
I honestly have no idea what any of that means, or how you would justify it as necessary.
Quote:Goodness exists and it's part of our reality/selves.
Science easily explains why humans are good to each other. Google is a wonderful tool.
Quote:If assumed creator cannot create goodness out of nothing, then neither can evolution, as it can create evolution.
Goodness therefore is eternal (not created)
Goodness only is possible if perceived.
Therefore an eternal perception of goodness existed.
Honestly, none of that even makes sense. Why you think humans being good to each other is some kind of mystical phenomenon is beyond me.
I don't understand your argument, or how you think it is based in logic and rationality. Not trying to be an ass, just saying...
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
