(January 7, 2016 at 9:54 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(January 7, 2016 at 9:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: BELIEVE me...it's not the alcohol that is messing up this discussion, lol. I don't understand why you feel human morality can't exist without a creator God.
I have actually many arguments other then this one as well as other reflections that lead me to believe human morality and God go together and cannot be separated. But let's see if you understand this argument for starters.
I think if you understand it, they will open up, to other arguments. They all reinforce one another, and the reason is because light of time is mixed with that of eternity as far morality goes.
The foremost reason I believe this to be the case is because I can see the truth of it's eternity or link to the utmost high and absolute and I see it's living reality, not simply conceptual, not a program, no a real living reality.
We know what you claim to be able to "See". But what are you able to demonstrate?
Unless you can demonstrate it, it is nothing more than your personal belief.
LadyorCamus, or anyone else here isn't asking you to tell us what you believe, we are asking what you can demonstrate.
Quote:That is besides the point. I can spray paint all my arguments about it here in one shot but let's discuss one argument at a time.
If they are all as fallacious as the one above, or any of the others I've seen you post, not sure it is worth your bother.[/quote]
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
