(January 7, 2016 at 10:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Another way to frame the argument is to say, "If no hypothetical creator can decide or create morality from nothing in a hypothetical world, then neither can anything else".
Anyways, it's a shame. I have a lot of arguments. But if you don't want to discuss them, that's up to you. You want to believe there is no good arguments out there, that's up to you. There is even a paradox of consciousness in naturalism which we once had interesting discussion about, till someone (won't mention name) spit fired a bunch of things in frustration of where the topic was leading to that didn't deal at all with the issue at hand, but put an end to the discussion. As for that one, I don't know the strength of it, to be honest, will try to get into a discussion with it with scientists that know about the issue deeply before reaching conclusions, but from the scent of it, it does seem to point to a Creator.
The only "creator" of god/s are human's imaginations.