RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 6:49 pm
(This post was last modified: January 11, 2016 at 6:50 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(January 11, 2016 at 6:37 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: For many, I think, the word 'objective' becomes little more than a buzzword that when added to a claim means something like "really really" true. I don't question that you believe that life has objective value or inherent value, I question that you actually mean anything by this. When I say that the speed of light is an objective limit in our universe, I am implicitly saying that the phenomena occurs independent of any minds or opinions view of the matter, that the equations have no subjective element and thus the 'what', light's speed, will occur independent of minds. In order for the words you're using to be more than buzzwords, you need to explain the 'what'. How does value occur independent of minds. What is a value and how does that nature of what a value is support the notion that it can occur outside of minds?
Yes, that is exactly how I mean objective value. It means Joe's life has value independent of any minds or opinions. Value is to Joe's life as wetness is to water.
How/why? Because that is how God made Joe. It is part of his inherent nature because God made it that way.
That is why I fully understand why an atheist wouldn't believe in the objective value of life. In fact, I'd be perplexed if any of you said you did.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
