Another raaaaaaaaaape!!!

[Losty]

After the first three sentences...I have no no idea why you're saying the rest to me. If you to the story at face value, the man is a rapist. I never implied otherwise.

When I said she was wrong too, I didn't mean she was at fault for being raped, she wasn't. I meant what she did was also wrong. And it has nothing to do with putting herself in danger. Imagine this story begins the same drunk guy sober girl taking a shower, but ends in "consensual" sex. You know what that'd make her in my mind? A rapist. It doesn't excuse what he did. It doesn't make her at fault for his actions. I'm only saying I think it's morally wrong to do anything sexual with a drunk person. (Obviously there are exceptions like if you're in a relationship or something like that, but even then it's an icky grey area)

That's a fair point. I also find the idea of sex with an intoxicated person objectionable.

As I said, in my opinion - most ways in which people engage in sexual contact seems weird and dishonest. Maybe I have some form of un-diagnosed Asperger's Syndrome, because I find it difficult to comprehend the subtleties of casual sex. But it seems to me that most of these kind of encounters happen under the influence of intoxicants, to varied extent. I know people who have never had sex sober. And since we - as a society - seem to endorse such encounters, as well as consumption of alcohol (I mean - that's what nightclubs are exclusively for), why is it  impossible for some people to believe, that being drunk is a natural state for intimacy? Just as they may believe, that posting online intimate and disturbing facts about themselves is a natural reaction to emotional anguish.

But as for this particular case - I couldn't tell, if I tried to figure it out. And I don't really want to.

I don't know enough about people who go around drunk screwing other drunk people to really weigh in too much. I was mostly commenting on the morality of a sober person doing sexual things with a drunk person. Which I think in many cases is technically illegal because you have no way of establishing a clear consent. The whole thing gets really grey about right here HN. It really does.

I like to drink. I also like to have casual sex. I don't care to mix the two but that's just me. I have and I didn't feel raped, but that's just one example. The scary thing about drunken sex vs drunken rape is that it's hard to judge the intentions of people when you can't get inside their mind. My policy, for myself, is never have sex with a drunk person because you'd hate to mistake their drunkeness as consent.