What is 'objective' value?

[henryp]

Because I don't think all human life has value, and there needs to be a way to keep me in line.

You can't be trusted, in that regard?  I think that you might want to go commit yourself to the custody of someone who can, if that's the case.  

One way is to tell me my point of view is incorrect by saying it's 'objective.'

By lying to you?  Can't imagine how that might backfire........ :looks up:

Also by declaring it a fact (objective), it is more effective in keeping it the popular opinion.  If people were encouraged to decide on their own, more people might decide differently, and that's bad from the society perspective.  Better to brainwash or condition or train or whatever you want to call it, so people come to the desired conclusion.

I disagree.  Christians have been claiming objective this and thats for quite some time.....and yet christians have been murdering people for quite some time.  That's the opposite of effective, imo.  Their results in this area appear to be indistinguishable from chance.

I'm kept in line by the law, and I'm just one person.  It's a numbers game, and it's important to keep the number of people like me below some threshhold, otherwise things would go awry.

Lying is a strong word.  It's more like establishing a bias.  I think the key is to 1) prevent the idea from being considered to begin with, 2) keep it from being spread.

It's tough to say how man would have turned out with religion.  What I do know, is that everybody I know, regardless of religion/no religion, teaches their kids that people are important, and should be treated nice, solely because they are a person.  That's what I'm teaching my kid.  I think it's nonsense, but I want that bias in there.  I know it was hammered into my head, and my default reaction to people is affected by it which is probably for the best.