Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge

[LadyForCamus]

Again...no.   Do -I- personally think that it is wrong to torture a baby?  Of course.  Where we disagree is you calling it an 'objective necessary moral truth,' because it's NOT an 'objective truth,' it is a subjective feeling.  This was explained to you already but apparently you still don't understand.

I believe Chad, since I made it plain that all bets are off on converting me, has put me on ignore. As referred to previously, crowds of thousands of Phoenicians and Canaanites gathered to ritually torture to death through burning the children of some among them, who were honored for giving them up without resistance and cheering with the crowd as their babies were tumbled down into the blazing belly of their god, which was popular on the Eastern Mediterranean. Of course most of them hated it, and there's a good chance that the priests who induced parents to give up their own when they came around to take them had a high incidence of sadism or psychopathy, but the point they sold the people on was their god demanded hard sacrifices, which they paid because their natural sense of morality had been twisted into believing it was morally right. Were the most elite citizens protected from selection by the priests, regardless of whatever system would make the process appear fair? Probably. Religious standards aren't made by those who follow them, they are made for others to keep them in line.

No, there isn't an objective standard of morality, and the corruption by religion of those who worshiped Moloch are an important lesson to all: when a society or government decides what the moral standards should be everyone it wields power over, then they should be as close to the bare evolved nature of the majority as possible, which it displays in actual behavior, and never religious standards set for other people.

If he put you on ignore, does that mean he cannot see your post? Because, I'd be HAPPY to repost it for you.