(January 18, 2016 at 9:24 am)robvalue Wrote: I've noticed a major sticking point that commonly occurs in theist/atheist debates. A religious theist often seems to think that if they can convince the atheist that god is real and their religion is "true", then the atheist would automatically convert to the religion.
This is just completely wrong. My refusal to join any religion has nothing to do with whether it is true or not. I find the whole idea ridiculous, and I am simply not interested. So even if you did manage to convince me your religion is the "real one", I wouldn't care. I'd just be a theist with no religion, someone who believes in god but does not worship it.
I have got the feeling a lot of people here share this view, so I thought it would be interesting to collect some names. So if you have the same stance as me, please post here! I thought it could be useful to point people to when they are making the very basic mistake I have outlined. Some people seem literally incapable of understanding this, and I don't know how much clearer I can make it. The more open minded theists however seem to understand this just fine.
Some theists simply don't understand that something being real doesn't mean we have an obligation to worship it.
My mother is real. She literally gave birth to me and is responsible for one half of my creation. She has done a fuck ton more to be a positive and active influence in my life than any god. But I'm not going to worship her. I'm not going to simply default to her judgement if I think she's wrong about something. I'm not going to be fearful of disagreeing with her, or disobeying her, or anything else.
Theists generally make a weak retort along the lines of "But god created the universe," as though the purported power disparity between it and me makes a difference. As though might makes right. Which is ridiculous, because if god is going to punish me for not obeying it, even though I'm not harming anyone else, then it doesn't deserve worship anyway.
So, no, no religion for me regardless of god's existence.
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