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List of reasons to believe God exists?
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List of reasons to believe God exists?
It seems to me people believe in God through a combination of explaining the physical world and explaining a desired non-physical world.

You want people to have intrinsic value.  Objective morals.  An afterlife.  A soul.  There's a laundry list of things like that where you can assert those may exist if there's a God.  But they are not tangible things.  I don't think there's any reason to believe them other than wanting to believe them.  

Meaning, there's nothing tangible to make you think humans go to 'heaven' when they die.  You can't pick up a fork, and measure it, and say "See, there's probably a heaven, and human soul will continue to exist in some form for all eternity!"

With this stuff, I would say these are consequences of God's existence, rather than things you use to prove God.   More dismissively, I'd call it a wish list.  Here's a bunch of things we'd like to be true.  Only way for that to be possible is for there to be a God.  I would not consider the things to be an argument for God, rather they are possible but unverifiable (while living) consequences in the event there is a God.  Is that fair to say?
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So with that in mind, that all of the previously mentioned things ride on God existing; Arguments for God existing rely on explaining the physical world.

The big one is that existence exists, and it seems like there's probably some explanation for that.  From what I've gathered, the argument is intuitively, it seems like something needs to have set the ball rolling a few billion years ago.  Why not some type of God like thing?

If I'm making a list of why believe in God:

1) God could explain why we exist.
2) ...
3) ...
4) ...

What's #2 and on?  Are there any other tangible things where God seems like a needed or likely explanation? 

Or does it all come down to the guess that maybe billions of years ago, God created stuff seems like a good enough guess that you're all in on God, and while you're at it, why not all the soul/heaven/angels stuff too? 

Doesn't it seem flimsy?  If that domino falls, and some nerd explains the origins of the universe, would that be the end of it?  Is there anything left?
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
Theists have "reasons" to believe that god exists, just no good reasons to believe such.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
I'm gonna leave this to the theists and not put words in their mouth(s). I'll also not try to judge them. They can believe what ever they want as long as they don't tell me I'm wrong or that their belief has more validity.

Wonder how many responses this will get?
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
It's not a wish list, personally this world itself is very strange and leads to belief.

For example; having consciousness. Then having planets with orbits, then having the laws of nature. It is too fishy that it indicates that there must be a designer behind it all.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
"Just in case!" (AKA, Pascal's Wager".
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
(December 3, 2017 at 9:40 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Theists have "reasons" to believe that god exists, just no good reasons to believe such.

Most theists remind me of bad hold 'em players. The kind that go all in with 3 and seven, off suit hole card and a ton of faith that gawd will fill the inside straight on the flop.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
Christianity has to be true, otherwise it wouldn't have schismed 10s of thousands of times !!!
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
(December 3, 2017 at 10:44 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's not a wish list, personally this world itself is very strange and leads to belief.

For example; having consciousness. Then having planets with orbits, then having the laws of nature. It is too fishy that it indicates that there must be a designer behind it all.

Planets have orbits, therefore god?


When illiterate Muhammed created the Koran the concept of other planets did not exist! Why? The human sourced gods never knew more than their human creators know.

The only reason you, Atlas, can attribute planetary orbits to a god is because humans have struggled to gain knowledge beyond what mullahs, priests, rabbis, and yogis have imparted. Therefore, we now know there are other planets and they have orbits!

Knowledge is hard won and accumulates. Nothing taught in the 7th century about the physical universe has any validity! It is simply easier for simplistic peoples to understand.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
(December 3, 2017 at 10:44 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's not a wish list, personally this world itself is very strange and leads to belief.

For example; having consciousness.
Information processing?

Quote:Then having planets with orbits,
Gravity?

Quote:then having the laws of nature.
Material behavior?

Quote:It is too fishy that it indicates that there must be a designer behind it all.
What you listed isn't remotely "fishy", and doesn't even begin to indicate as much.  You just fielded an argument from incredulity.  You just can't believe "x"...well......so?  I can't believe my wife puts up with my shit, either - but she does.

Where, might I ask, is magic book in all this?  The reasons you just listed for belief were poor rationalizations....and they left out magic bookWink
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
1.  ........... um, nope.  Not a thing.
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