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If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
(January 19, 2016 at 4:18 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(January 19, 2016 at 12:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote: So you claim, and so what.

Let me clue you in on reality. Allah is not real, Islam is simply a splinter sect of Christianity. Christianity is simply a splinter sect of Hebrew. And Hebrew is simply a splinter sect of Canaanite polytheism.

The polytheists set the stage for the monotheism of Abraham. Yahweh was a lesser god in a divine family who had the he god El who was the lead god in the family "council".

There is no monotheistic cosmic council anymore than the Canaanites had an entire family of gods running things. I get that you really like what you believe and we get that you really want Allah to be real. But that isn't because Allah is real. You believe it because you lack the evolutionary scientific understanding that our species perceptions of reality are notoriously flawed. 

We don't doubt your sincerity of what you want to be true. We do doubt your perception of reality. It was understandable in antiquity that humans would invent both polytheistic gods, and monotheistic gods because they didn't have our modern scientific knowledge of the world.

I can also say, that the context leads to the possibility of scenario B : the concept & idea of religion go back to a common point; it is true that the idea was always present in humanity's consciousness.

You're also lowering the positions of the ancients. The Mayans, Hindus, Chinese, pharaohs, all these civilizations had advanced knowledge in astronomy & architecture; they had what we don't have today : blending in with the environment.

NO, it did not exist in our consciousness, at least not in the divine comic book way religious people want to believe.

Religion and god claims are a result of gap filling, flawed perceptions. What you talk about existing in our consciousness is our evolved language and evolved awareness. The problem is humans did not have our modern scientific understanding of reality. What evolved was our ability to seek patterns, but at the same time we had no clue how to test and confirm those things we perceived. As a result of our ignorance, we made up answers when we had none. When something scary like a storm or a a volcano affected humans back then, they falsely assumed it was being controled by something human like, but with super powers. Humans were merely anthropomorphic in projecting their own qualities on non existent and non human things.

Our flawed perceptions lead us to gap fill. It is no different than an antelope on the African plane who has no time to assess if the swaying grass is mere wind, or a lion stalking it. It is the same reason that if a kid wants to believe that covered bowl of olives at the Halloween party in a dark kitchen are eyeballs, since thy don't have an adult brain if young enough, they lack the reasoning skills to make any credible determination about what is really going on. 

Humans basically had no understanding of nature, so they invented answers as a way to cope. Unfortunately even to this day, allows power structures to form with people who use those ideas as a way to control them. It isnt that all religious people are bad, it is that most humans don't have a grasp on how good logic works. "Faith" is simply easier for humans than actually testing and falsifying to confirm what they are perceiving.
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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by Brian37 - January 19, 2016 at 4:38 pm

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