(January 20, 2016 at 4:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(January 20, 2016 at 11:24 am)Brian37 Wrote: No, there is nothing in the Koran that demonstrates any slightest lick of modern scientific understanding of the universe. Neither does the Bible or Jewish texts or Hindu Vedas. I have seen this tactic from every major religion. When they cant debunk science, they try to co opt it and claim it matches there holy writings and club.
Scientific method is not a religion, it is not there to prop up any holy book or any religion. It is completely religion independent and neutral.
Hey, why bite my admiration to science ?
What I'm saying is that science is actually : leading back to God.
Many scientists already admired and worked under the "law of the universe".
Who made the laws ? intelligent creation is more believable when you, through science, reach a conclusion like that.
Way to miss the point. I didn't say it was against the law to like science, I wish more people did. I said it is independent of ALL religions it is not there to prop up any religion. You liking science does not make Allah real anymore than a Jew liking science makes Yahweh real anymore than a Hindu liking science makes Vishnu real.
"law of the universe", see you do the same thing Christians do. "Law" in science does not mean the same thing religious people like it to mean. "Law" is not a government written thing when it is used in the context of science. "Law" as used in science is a description of confirmed and tested observations that are consistent over long term data observation.
And the "who" part, you make the same mistake too. You assume a cosmic magical "sky who" is some factory owner and we are his products. No, that is now how science views nature. Just like you already accept that Thor is not needed to explain why lightening happens. Just like you already accept you don't need Poseidon to be the cause of hurricanes.
It isn't a who that did all this, it was a non cognitive process, like how the seasons change and we have different weather every day. CONDITONS, not a who, a process, not a thinking being.
It can be viewed like riding in a giant weather pattern and we are simply a manifestation of those events. The problem you are stuck with that all god claimers are still suffer from "which god", and the problem of infinite regress.
So the simplest solution is to know if you are are right are to ask yourself, not me, but yourself, the following. Which to you seems to be more likely?
1. A god exists?
Or
2. Humans make them up and merely like the idea?
Now you already reject lots of other god claims and I would say rightfully so. You don't buy Thor as being real. You don't buy Vishnu as being real. You don't buy Yahweh as being real, and while you share some of the same characters you dont see Jesus as being the one true way to heaven.
The only difference between you and me, is that I reject one more god claim than you do. When you can aim your own skepticism that you used to reject other god claims, besides your own, at your own claim, then maybe you can see where the atheist is coming from.
