(January 24, 2016 at 12:37 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I only dismissed the false choice between subjective and objective values in order to show the OP my strong commitment to objectivity, something you noticed yourself. I'm fully aware of the irrational ways people can think of ethics.Oh, I agree then. It worries me that so many are willing to sacrifice the notion of objective value on the pyre of supernaturalism. Thankfully, their subsequent claims, feelings, and actions usually aren't too consistent with their stated beliefs
In other words, I think even aknowledging too ludicrous a point of view is unworthy of anyone's time and ultimately counter-productive.
Let me further clarify this. One can have as many "subjective" values as he likes. This is why we have the law, since times immemorial. The law enforces an objective morality(id est, objective values) upon the populace. Without this mechanism we couldn't have gotten to where we are now, that much is obvious. Now, we, as subjects of that law, or even as philosophers(and I'm using this term very broadly here), can think about and even ultimately revise the prevalent relevant objective morality, and that's what we should do. But to waste our times on such a meaningless concept as subjective values won't get us anywhere.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza